PROOF: That league shields can tell you how good somebody is

[Mendax]

I'm stepping away to take a nap before I have to go to my morning workout. Then it is off to take the family shopping.

Before I leave I want to type these thoughts:

1) It is clear that many of you feel slighted enough to post uncool things towards me here. I don't take it personally because your perception is yours and I won't argue against it. I just ask that you think for a moment how it makes you look to others. If a video gaming forum is causing you this much personal grief, perhaps you should just take a moment and see what is going on in RL?

2) I think having a level ON a league shield is the best compromise. I truly hope that SC is considering this as an option as it is clearly the most popular option that will retain the most users.

and finally 3) Nobody likes change. But, sometimes change is necessary. For whatever reason, SC thought that this change was necessary for them. You, as the gamer, have the option to either give them time to address your concerns or adapt and move through the objective. It really is up to you. No one controls your emotions but you.

- hb

1) Shocking as this may seem, it is entirely possible to type the words "hb808 is a troll" and be perfectly adjusted in real life.

2) Virtually everyone agrees having both is a good idea. However, this thread never stated that, your original post simply claimed that "league shields can show you how good somebody is". Many people, myself included, disagree

3) I don't see how this relates to anything.

[denial]

I'm stepping away to take a nap before I have to go to my morning workout. Then it is off to take the family shopping.

Before I leave I want to type these thoughts:

1) It is clear that many of you feel slighted enough to post uncool things towards me here. I don't take it personally because your perception is yours and I won't argue against it. I just ask that you think for a moment how it makes you look to others. If a video gaming forum is causing you this much personal grief, perhaps you should just take a moment and see what is going on in RL?

Ok... let me explain.... i smelled your "troll ness" from miles away and from your first Posts about the hot Topic: Leagues + Level ....



We told you to stop... but you continued to support your own (?) views and you continued to reply to everyone like you are Supercell's PR. lol

Sorry pal, i don't need you to explain me what really trophies are, if levels are important...If the colour badges are cool.... and so many other topics.... You have your own Views on the topic which are respected but to a point...



You clearly ignored all our warnings.....
Its your right to feel good about Colour Badges... and it our right too to feel uncool!

So you started acting like you are Supercell's Representative.... which isnt true... and we dragged down to this...everybody calling you a troll poster.... ( i warned you remember if you continue on this road i will be alongside reminding who you really are....

2) I think having a level ON a league shield is the best compromise. I truly hope that SC is considering this as an option as it is clearly the most popular option that will retain the most users.

Yeah so you agree and voted for don't care.... your posts are contrasted!
OMg really ....Compromise to what? ...Stop writing like you are Supercell's ADVOCATE!! Please?

and finally 3) Nobody likes change. But, sometimes change is necessary. For whatever reason, SC thought that this change was necessary for them. You, as the gamer, have the option to either give them time to address your concerns or adapt and move through the objective. It really is up to you. No one controls your emotions but you.

- hb

So you must adapt too, that most users want level + League.... AND return to your normal troll free life...



I won't reply again, unless you continue acting like someone you aren't ....



So clash on!

[hb808]

Thankyou for saying it.

Right now I have less than $100k gold but over $1million elix. My wizard towers are upgrading to level 6. I literally have nothing to do as these upgrades take so long Ive spent the past week working on my mini. Boredom in game is high, hence the reason why I have time to be on this forum more often than I would normally, farming has become a grind to grab the 500k gold for walls now - meh!

Eventually the cost and time to upgrade buildings and troops will be so high that even the farmers will shake their heads and walk away.

Yes, I see that you have upgraded two of those walls now. It is painful. I don't have all skull walls yet, but I am getting there. It looks like you double walled one edge to give your wiz time to build. Nice, because your most recent attack was from the upper flank. I was surprised to see your TH in a guarded position, figured it would be outside.

I was a farmer for several months. With this update I moved my TH into the middle because I wanted to try my hand at defense instead of just leaving my TH outside, which while effective for getting a free shield kinda got boring. I think SC is well aware that the majority of the people that post here are farmers. But I also believe that farming isn't what they want to be end-game material. They wanted to shake people up and get them gaming in different direction. It looks like they succeeded no?

But, yes, to reiterate what Zach stated, SC should consider raising the league bonuses. This won't pull hardcore farmers out of their shell, but it might get some of gamers to step out of their comfort zone.

[dominic115]

I started counting his double/triple/quad posts but I gave up after the first 40...

[hb808]

I started counting his double/triple/quad posts but I gave up after the first 40...

Ah yes another iCaramba clan member to bless me with their post. A tribute to Bart Simpson fittingly enough.

Aye Caramba! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnZQF-3UHag

[denial]

Nah i love to troll you....



Care to explain why you act like Supercell's PR?

[owlcom]

Successful attempt to increase post count?

[Illustris]

Heh, I just tripped over this 11 page thread and I scanned it. My reactions and thoughts:

1. Just by the sheer, immediate reaction and posts, I continue to see that the removal of levels is indeed still a scorching, "hot button" for many. The compromise as suggested by Canada and X93 should have been more considered.. alas

2. The more this thread continues, the more it just emphasizes that this level removal is a hot issue, in my mind.

3. Lol, HB, welcome back... always lively with you around

4. I do think what someone said earlier is accurate, however, you did start by saying this:

2. While I highly doubt people are really recruiting THAT much, I can still prove that league shields can, to a very good extent, tell a recruiter how good somebody is.

There are many, many new clans trying to get their feet on the ground. Set aside the North, Arkham, Bonbee, Farming4, etc, etc, systems, we all have a "brand" name that's been established. For the newer clans that are starting up, struggling with 20-30 members, they are still building their bases and aren't ready to really trophy push. This will be hard for them, I believe.

And separately, I'm not sure which Crystal subdivision you are in, but Crystal III is basically still farming Gold badge land, just with more double Xbow 3s. At Crystal I, it becomes an entirely different game. If you are not there, it's all about getting hit by max golems, 4 rage spells per battle. Etc, etc. As a part-time gemmer, I don't begrudge those folks their right to their gameplay, but I honestly, don't think the difference between Crystal I and Gold III is a matter of true "skill".

I respect Jorge and the other pushers who are 4k+, as I respect any skilled artisan in any field, but there is a kink or break point, and the gemming takes over in earnest. Whether that's Crystal I, or at 2800 trophy, we can all debate. But, I think we can all agree that a heavy dosage of gemming occurs at higher troph, whether voluntary or required at that game play level. And that does not necessarily equate to true skill.


Illustris the Ever Neutral, unless Provoked (iron thumb, wink)

[dahimi]

Nah i love to troll you....



Care to explain why you act like Supercell's PR?

Holding a view that is contrary to yours or even many is not acting as Supercell's PR. I see this sentiment all of the time.

"Oh you agree with X changes, you must be working for Supercell."

Why not take his post at face value instead of assuming there must be some sort of ulterior motive?

I happen to agree with him in this instance. How much time have we spent on the forum, when the subject of matchmaking comes up, explaining how bad of an indicator level is for relative base strength? Whether you like it or not, the league badges are a good indicator. They just aren't great in the crystal and below levels. Few performance based clans are going to turn down people with master badges.

Wait for Supercell to tweak the bonuses. You do realize they are eventually going to make them worthwhile right? I know this because the developers at Supercell are not stupid. There is no way they are going to roll out a feature like this and not use it to push people to gain trophies. It makes a ton of sense for them to roll the feature out with small bonuses, see how the players behave and then start adjusting them. Given some time, those league badges are going to be more meaningful than level ever was or could be.

Now look at the pro level arguments. They boil down to:

1. Our clan has a minimum level requirement and this makes it hard to recruit.

If you are in this camp, I suggest you consider rethinking that stance. Again because level in this game is meaningless. The forum has collectively argued long and hard about this. You are actively weakening this argument. If you want to ensure minimum standards, require that they have specific benchmark items. For example all skull walls and lvl6 archers. I would never recruit on the basis of level alone because again level is meaningless. This means I would evaluate the base of every single applicant anyway.

2. I can't see people's level in global or clan chat.

What difference does it make? Most of the time you don't need to see it, and if for some reason you feel you must it is two taps away.

HB holds an even less extreme view than I. I do not support the photoshopped level/league badge thing. Why? Because I want to see level leave the game entirely. It is a completely meaningless number. It always has been. It always will be. I firmly believe that if Supercell had never added it to the game, there would not be tons of posts asking for experience and level to be added; at least not using the current system which has ensured it to be a completely useless number.

Adding experience and a level indicator was a mistake. One that Supercell is slowly correcting. They removed it from the battle log and they have removed it from chat. Hopefully they will soon remove it from the game.

[Hannibal]

I have to say that I'm amazed at how much discussion this level thing has generated when there are much more significant topics for discussion out there such as game balance, the devolution of base design, and the loot nerf.