The NEW one and only loot is good or bad thread

[Robmac]

LOOT IS GREAT!!!

Sitting at around 2700 trophies and pulling in 300k profit of each elix and gold per raid. Probs 1m of each pure profit an hour.

Don't expect more loot then you deserve at your level. You would progress too quickly and then get annoyed at the sudden increase in cost of defences. Be realistic. I am able to loot the good bases because I did my yards at lower levels.

It would be like getting a high wage when you are 15 years old. Then getting no pay increase for 20 years haha. Doesn't work that way. Im happy with how it has gone in the game so far.

Playing for 2 years btw. Stick with it!

[BlueBoss]

LOOT IS GREAT!!!

Sitting at around 2700 trophies and pulling in 300k profit of each elix and gold per raid. Probs 1m of each pure profit an hour.

Don't expect more loot then you deserve at your level. You would progress too quickly and then get annoyed at the sudden increase in cost of defences. Be realistic. I am able to loot the good bases because I did my yards at lower levels.

It would be like getting a high wage when you are 15 years old. Then getting no pay increase for 20 years haha. Doesn't work that way. Im happy with how it has gone in the game so far.

Playing for 2 years btw. Stick with it!

What TH lv are you and what are you raiding with?

[Robmac]

What TH lv are you and what are you raiding with?

Lev 118, TH10, raiding with 40 arch, 12 giants, 40 minion, 1 pekka, 5 wiz, lev 10 AQ and BK. plus a rage spell for good luck. approx those numbers on average

[anarchy86]

In CoC there are two basic ways of farming. You either go for collectors (inactives) or go for storages.
The best army compositions for storages are elixir heavy and if you use a barch army to get to storages you will need to use spells causing the raid to be costly in elixir too.
To go for collectors you are better off using a cheap army, since loot is generally easy to get to so barch/bam is the best here.

When people have just upgraded their th, most people will want to use elixir for upgrades since this will help their offense, but after a while people will reach a stage where they tend to focus on the DE upgrades in research lab and at this time elixir used to be in abundance and storages would be overflowing with no use.

After the elixir to walls patch people that had finished their elixir upgrades would empty their elixir storages into the bottomless pit called walls. And which effect does that have? Well those bases would be nowhere to be found and they are therefore no longer raidable. This means more nexting and since elixir is now a more valued resource with a real use people also start looking more for them. This means people with less elixir available will also get raided now and this causes a downward spiral that will make some people give up their elixir upgrades hoping for better times later and they will also put their elixir into their walls. In effect elixir is now becoming a scarce resource. Those that insist on farming with elixir heavy armies will now have to next a lot more and many will give up using elixir heavy armies and start farming with barch/bam. With more people farming collectors, the inactives will be harder to find, since more people are nexting to find them. All would of course attack the inactives when found, but the heavy army users would stop nexting when they found their storage loot.

It has also been claimed on this thread, that gold has become more scarce. I’m sure it’s pretty much the same amount of gold that is available to be raided, but…. Before the patch people would generally just look upon gold available to be looted and if they would loose elixir in the attack it didn’t matter since they would get more later then. Now when elixir is scarce, many people will skip bases with some gold but hardly any elixir. Thus again having to next more. But the most important factor is the cost to next. With more nexting the gold profit (if any) goes down and the perceived gold farmable loot goes down as well.
And now a little side note. Yesterday I I did a 2 hour session with barch and no boosting, since I know that boosting is no use anymore because I will next so long time that it’s not worthwhile anymore. I was looking at my current gold amount and looked again when I found a camp that I attacked to have an estimate of how many times I had nexted. I did 5 attacks plus 4 th snipes in C2 and did some decent raids with one of them even being a nice inactive that yielded 290/290/xx. Unfortunately with the amount of nexts I had made, the net result was a surplus of 50k gold and 600k elixir. This was absolutely no fun and this was even with a threshold of 75/75/0 lootable for me. After such a session (and I have had many more like it) I really feel like deleting the game. Nexting 320 times is simply no fun at all.

So the overall effect of the elixir to walls patch is a lot more nexting and nexting equals frustration. It also means that donations in clans will go down and thus causing clans to dissolve. This again causes people to quit the game.

The best choice for the overall economy and funfactor in the game would be to reintroduce storage raiding as a viable option for most trophy ranges. Now it’s not really an option from ranges 1900-2700 where I have searched and from what I read/heard also other ranges.
The best way would be to change the way of dealing with excess elixir to make it usable for nexting (also option to still use gold) instead of dumping into the bottomless pit called walls. Using elixir to pay for nexts is only a gradual decrease of available elixir from storages and most likely there will still be elixir in abundance. Elixir is for offense and gold is for defense. So it also befits the general concept a lot better. The gold amount saved from nexting would still be appreciated as a nice profit.

It would be even better to go back to a flat loot percentage of 20% for all th levels since this would make storage raids even more interesting, causing people to next less and have more fun. Some would claim, that it could be harder to save up, but I say no, because you would find loot more consistently and have to next less, so would be easier to save. This is only theory, but I believe it firmly.

I read somewhere in this thread that someone was saying something about correlation and cause. There is cause according to my deduction above.

And to those that say that now loot is good and now loot is bad again. This is just a normal effect of huge variation. You know.... some people do win the lotto as well.

Just some thoughts from a fully upgraded th10 that has been attacking 200-400 times consistently every season for about a year or more.

Great post!

Anyone who said loot is great should read this.

#fix loot

[hotshot007]

I think it depends a lot on what time you generally do your raids. Generally, I have found that around 3-6 AM EST is usually a good time for raids, probably because a large part of the US populace will be out. Conversely, I find very low loot If I raid around 12-3 PM EST. Both times I was raiding in the same trophy range (Mostly Gold 3), so clearly it wasn't the range that was the issue.

I dunno if finding Elix has really reduced. I do generally find more Gold than Elixir, but the difference between the two resources has never been a big leap for me, and I do both storage and inactive base raids.

[BlueBoss]

I think it depends a lot on what time you generally do your raids. Generally, I have found that around 3-6 AM EST is usually a good time for raids, probably because a large part of the US populace will be out. Conversely, I find very low loot If I raid around 12-3 PM EST. Both times I was raiding in the same trophy range (Mostly Gold 3), so clearly it wasn't the range that was the issue.

I dunno if finding Elix has really reduced. I do generally find more Gold than Elixir, but the difference between the two resources has never been a big leap for me, and I do both storage and inactive base raids.

Same experience here. I always tell people in my clan to try at different times during the day to see what time works for them.

[rustytr]

I am a Th 10 and I notice I get attacked a lot when I have 200+ thousand elixer and hardly any gold. That used to not be the case. I guess most people are really needing that elixer when they finally find it. I was able to do two battles today before getting frustrated and taking a few hours off. That's after not getting on for 2 days from plain old boredom.

On a side note, I'm really glad I didn't get a clash tattoo now! YOLO! pfffttt.

[hbkrip]

I have never found myself searching for hours without loot. . yes some times you have to settle for less but farming in the high leagues can tackle this problem by adding the bonus when u get a star. . .

[WittyNickname]

Long time lurker.
Has anyone suggested this (apologies if they have)
What if. As a solution to this problem. Supercell, raises the loot available during your war attack. Not the bonus. What if they just max filled the storages of your war base. They already do put a very small amount in. Free and clear. That means no extra coding as I've read some people discussing. This way you have enough at least to pull of your second attack if you do well. Im a th10. And it's hard up here. Im not saying we need easy forgotten/left villages to get all the time. But the algorithm needs some help. Like a minimum on the loot a available, I am obviously not going to be able to attack something for 30k of each, so why show it to me.
By adding loot to the war villages, supercell could inject some much needed cash flow into the economy, in a relatively simple way. That way you still have to work for it. But. You still get some flow. I don't speak for anyone else but it takes a million elixer sometimes to take out the top base during war. They give me back 40k each attack. Lol where do I find that million elixer if attacking stays the way it is? Something needs to happen. There's my idea. Please tell me where I'm wrong
sorry about the rant

[Omes]

Long time lurker.
Has anyone suggested this (apologies if they have)
What if. As a solution to this problem. Supercell, raises the loot available during your war attack. Not the bonus. What if they just max filled the storages of your war base. They already do put a very small amount in. Free and clear. That means no extra coding as I've read some people discussing. This way you have enough at least to pull of your second attack if you do well. Im a th10. And it's hard up here. Im not saying we need easy forgotten/left villages to get all the time. But the algorithm needs some help. Like a minimum on the loot a available, I am obviously not going to be able to attack something for 30k of each, so why show it to me.
By adding loot to the war villages, supercell could inject some much needed cash flow into the economy, in a relatively simple way. That way you still have to work for it. But. You still get some flow. I don't speak for anyone else but it takes a million elixer sometimes to take out the top base during war. They give me back 40k each attack. Lol where do I find that million elixer if attacking stays the way it is? Something needs to happen. There's my idea. Please tell me where I'm wrong
sorry about the rant

Great idea! if the base has low loot then the game adds to it, and if it has high loot no adding is necessary, everyone wins! Except maybe our beloved money-hungry company.

I am obviously not going to be able to attack something for 30k of each, so why show it to me.

Unfortunately, i don't think it's THAT obvious to them. After all, i got a feeling that their whole perception is stuck on a different world where the ultimate raiding reward (that actually matters for everyone) is trophy, not loot