The NEW one and only loot is good or bad thread

[SimplyGarces]

Any one whos ever bought gems in this game I say we start a class action law suit againist supercell. For manipulating ingame mechanics and forcing gem buying. I guarantee we can find a law firm that will go through with it.

[Coathanger]

Coat,

With all due respect, it is well-known that you support SC to a fault.

SC has continually screwed higher lvl players and long term players for what? Lava hounds?

They continue to pander to the masses without giving two shakes to us that have been around the block.

Heroes, walls, nothing about "eye mahd", time bug... the list goes on and on.

Your affinity towards SC doesn't mean anything to me. Not one iota.

What does my support have to do with me refuting the statement "...All they care about is more people starting the game.." And "...SC's main concern is pleasing the majority stakeholders."? Nothing.

How did lava hounds screw over long term players? Those are for long term players, like level 7 barch. Look at the updates from this year they improve higher level long term game play, yes they peeved some but they update were largely for those players.

Heroes, walls were about higher level players. Heroes were stupid at high levels. The loot complaints were largely originating from people stuck on their high level walls. The personal break can be argued as originating due to the mod, there is little they can do there.

It's all good, ever consider I am not arguing with you but for those reading? Please do not take it personally, I do not.

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One word: advertising. They have had their eyes on growing the playerbase ever since the Android release. True, updates are mostly targeted at higher level THs, but I do think there's a legitimate case to be made that more new players > existing ones in terms of future revenue.

Yes their marketing team is geared on getting more players in. I do not think their development team follows the same direction though, look at where the updates are largely targeted.

My argument was not that SC did not care for nor derive their profits from new players. My argument was against "...All they care about is more people starting the game.." And "...SC's main concern is pleasing the majority stakeholders."? The later being that they have a golden goose and need only to nurture it in order for continued success.

P.S. Did you find loot? Have you raided much this week? Inquiring minds want to know.

[zachUVA]

Yes their marketing team is geared on getting more players in. I do not think their development team follows the same direction though, look at where the updates are largely targeted.

The dev team has no place even trying to do anything with new players. Marketing's job is to bring in new players, while the dev team's job is to focus on older ones and prolonging the lifespan of the game- simple, yet mutually exclusive roles.

My argument was not that SC did not care for nor derive their profits from new players. My argument was against "...All they care about is more people starting the game.." And "...SC's main concern is pleasing the majority stakeholders."? The later being that they have a golden goose and need only to nurture it in order for continued success.

Granted theres probably some hyperbole in those quotes, but I pretty much agree with them. New players are a bigger source of revenue I believe (speaking to the first quote), and I'm sure SC is concerned with making money/pleasing owners. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that last part, almost every business does it and that's exactly what the employees are hired to do: make the company money.

There's bad connotations to that, but personally I don't really have a problem with it. People seem to make "greed" out as the reason that SC makes "bad" changes, but they fail to see that "greed" is also the reason they make concessions to angry players (see hero regen nerf, hog nerfs, etc.). That's capitalism for ya.

[nesnnesn]

First off people, generally, do not speak up when satisfied so you need to measure the satisfied by other means. There are far more people enjoying the game than complaining about it, that's why you are having to search more. You are having a harder time finding loot due to huge numbers of players who are out there raiding, upgrading and enjoying the game. More players=less loot for each of us, their pleasure is your bane.

Have any proof that people do not speak up when satisfied? Or is that something you made up to troll people who complain about loot?

When I googled: silent customer satisfied, here are the first 2 results:

http://blog.clientheartbeat.com/why-...-is-important/
https://www.linkedin.com/today/post/...ld-but-haven-t

They suggest that many unhappy customers are silent. And that happy customers tell other people. But doesn't say that many happy customers are silent.

6. 96% of unhappy customers don’t complain, however 91% of those will simply leave and never come back – 1Financial Training services.
7. A dissatisfied customer will tell between 9-15 people about their experience. Around 13% of dissatisfied customers tell more than 20 people. – White House Office of Consumer Affairs.
8. Happy customers who get their issue resolved tell about 4-6 people about their experience. – White House Office of Consumer Affair.

Of course, there are lots of people paying money to SC, which shows that those people are happy with the game. (At least they are happy until they request a refund from Apple. )

It is very possible that a lot of paying/happy customers are at TH8 and under, and they have not experienced the loot penalties of TH9 and TH10 yet. Unless SC reveals the breakdown of paying customers by TH-level, there is no proof that most TH9 and TH10s are currently happy/paying customers.

[Diran00]

Town hall 9&10 loot is just awful, getting/saving elixer after the update is just brutal, i spent 2 hours on clash yesterday and only made 50k gold!

[Danip]

Really?!?! You take issue with me 'wasting' digital currency BEFORE supercell decided to allow it's use for walls.

I predicted it from the time they announced it.....I have had maxxed Lix for nearly a year.

You should THINK about it .....it is a GAME, there isn't REAL purple elixer running down the streets around my house.

I was simply saying I raided a good base even if I couldn't use the lix....as did everyone(except you apparently LOL) otherwise we would be nexting with a calculator!!!

Stop taking yourself so seriously mate.

I'm not being "so serious" I'm being considerate of others. By not stealing what I can't use. Simple concept. You apparently have comprehension issues. I made the relevant information caps. The only REAL thing I was concerned about was the REAL and FACTUAL NEED of OTHERS who are looking for the loot I DIDN'T NEED. So I left it

The problem with your argument ( which you've stated twice now with the same ignorant fervor ) is that it's not real. Yet you complain about a lack of it. Therefore it is perceived as real to you since you are feeling the void of it as a lack of substance. Hence ... YOUR NEED is REAL.

And wasted elixir is not in walls. That's used elixir. Wasted elixir is those purple bubbles that you attacked with no storage space to carry it.

[CeePee]

Town hall 9&10 loot is just awful, getting/saving elixer after the update is just brutal, i spent 2 hours on clash yesterday and only made 50k gold!

Time to adapt to the situation then, change your army setup and lower standards for loot

[Omes]

Time to adapt to the situation then, change your army setup and lower standards for loot

That's noble. But you see, the situation doesn't deserve to be adapted to, because this isn't nature. This is a situation most probably made by someone else's stupid perspective, and exacerbated by a stupid decision. And it's imperative for them to be reminded that they have been stupid, that many customers are suffering unnecessarily, and the decision makers should move above stupid.

[Danip]

Time to adapt to the situation then, change your army setup and lower standards for loot

That's fallacy. Unless they're mass dragon army or gowixx or an extreme power army you shouldn't have to change your army all that much. I have pretty low standards for loot but it's taking me days to fill my storages. It used to take an afternoon. Days to upgrade one thing? Then to wait for the building time to be over k n top of it? With the time bug that they so sloppily have programmed in there and have been aware of for years? Yeah. No thanks. I can't he online all the time just for such a minimal return. And I'm only th8. I pity those above me. Except when they smash me.

[3zzz]

Time to adapt to the situation then, change your army setup and lower standards for loot

I prefer change game at all. I like Clash of Clans, but in play store there are other millions games... I'll find something good.
I upgraded balloons because I love them... now I have lev. 5 balloons and lev. 3 other troops... if I have to convert my troops and learn how to fight with archers barbarians and giants, it's easyer to choose another game.
(p.s. I spend 150.000 elixir for balloons and 60.000 for spells... it's impossible to repay them at the moment, moreover I need 1 hour to build troops... so I can't do frequently attacks... and usually while I build troops, other players attack me stealing more than I got from my attack... Ok, you can say I'm a terrible player, but before the last upgrade there were no problem, everything was enough balanced)