The NEW one and only loot is good or bad thread

[fishy21]

This is my first post so hopefully I quoted correctly.

I am about 1/2 of the way through TH9 defensive upgrades, having fully maxed my TH7 and TH8 in all aspects. I obtained most of my loot based on finding inactives (GG around 420,000,000).

My personal opinion is that a loot system based in large part on finding inactive players is fundamentally flawed and really does not make much sense. It makes more sense (to me at least) that loot should be directly proportionate to how tough the base is (using a measurement system similar to how bases are ranked in clan wars) and how much damage one does to that base.

It also makes more sense (again, to me, personally) that the goal of the game should be to protect your townhall at all costs. I have not played this game since its inception but I have always assumed that was how the townhall was originally envisioned. I would like to see TH sniping eliminated, and a loot system that rewards the attacker for getting the townhall, and penalizing the defender for having the townhall defeated (in a manner other than trophy loss).

As it stands now, many people simply hit "next" until finding an inactive base. Should that really be what the game is about? I suppose the answer to that question is "to each his own," but I find the system flawed, even though I made the most of it to get to where I am.

All of that being said, I think there are some excellent suggestions in the post above to fix the loot system and certain related game mechanics, and they are worthy of consideration.

I agree. The game is flawed... and you helped me figure out why this game is so frustrating. Putting my TH out for someone to snipe is the only way I can protect my resource. Otherwise, I raid for 200k each of gold/elix, then I get raided for 300k+ because I'm TH10 saving for max upgrades. So I have no choice but to put my TH out and hope I get sniped. The game is flawed... and I'm starting to realize this now.

I don't think SC is going to change anything to fix this. Imagine redesigning the whole game because it was never really a good game to begin with. They'll ♥♥♥♥ so many current players off. They make money off gems... not people who buy the game. They have a thread dedicated to loot issues! Over 170+ pages of posts, and not one response from SC. So clearly, they don't care... unless you buy gems.

I strong urge anyone who bought gems to request a refund. I bet that will get their attention.

[badfish1979]

Over 170+ pages of posts, and not one response from SC.

Don't forget the other loot thread they locked & buried because it "got too big." It had 3000 posts on on it.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...t-thread%21%21

[Godzilla86]

Had to abandon game again.
Nexting 20 minutes, nothing interesting to attack and had to close the game because I didn't have any time to play left.

Net loss this afternoon: down 300k

[fishy21]

I woke up this morning and broke my shield to loot. I gained 200k of each in G&E. 10 minutes later, I got raided for 400k in gold & 200k in elix. I'm TH10 and saving for my max defense upgrade.

This game is unplayable. I don't even know how to save up for defense upgrades, when I get raided for more than what I gain.

[tellingthetruth]

Had to abandon game again.
Nexting 20 minutes, nothing interesting to attack and had to close the game because I didn't have any time to play left.

Net loss this afternoon: down 300k

Similar experience for me only that my tolerance decreases from day to day.

I "only" nexted 30 times. Only saw bases between 20k and 60k, besides the odd base with 80-140k spread out in 4 storages.

After the 30th time I just closed the app, this is pointless.

[Smalls]

Sorry for the novel but I hope it's worth reading. Valid points, I promise.

TH8 is the worst. No expanding army camps. No more pumps, mines or drills. You get almost enough walls. TH10's can find your base profitable and easily run your base over no matter how well your defense is arranged or upgraded (not that you have the tools to fight them in the first place) but for you, going to attack a TH6, 2 levels below you is a hilariously stupid venture. Higher taxes. Lower rewards. TH8's aren't particularly susceptible to a regular raid, so coming away with 50% or more of the available loot is no guarantee. Cost 580 every time, 20 times in a row you'll get a TH6 with 4k/4k/0. Why do I have to pay the same tax skipping fair fights as when I skip a TH that barely pays back the damn tax in the first place? Not logical.

The cost of structures hits a whole new bracket but there's no real way of achieving them, mines/pumps/drills don't produce nearly enough (or there's simply not enough of them), raiding is really hit or miss and riding shields pretty much just keep the tide level. Lazy builders are unacceptable in my village but at the same time, I have no work for them. I don't mind the week long waits as long as I can achieve the costs. Frivolously working to keep my stores level? Lame and not fun and probably won't be doing that for too long. I spent a few bucks for a builder, a few for the king....but I'm not spending money like I have a boosted gold mine in my backyard because I don't. I'm not going to either, this game is fun but not so fun I'd spend $1,000s like some folks.

Just one example, my DE store holds 40K. Trying to get to HALF for an upgrade but I can't because I'm open for over 1,000 DE every attack. I've NEVER seen that kind of DE on any base that I could actually get to it. So, I can raid for hours to get about 1,000 DE....just to lose it. One lvl3 Drill can't make that up. Lame. Not worth doing.

Sorry about the rant but I doubt I'm the only one noticing this. Bigger camps allow more freedom to raid higher. More mines/pumps (or higher levels than 11 these have been maxed for 2 freaking THs.). Or Idk, SOME KIND OF ABILITY TO PROTECT AGAINST LAME TH9/TH10 WHO TAKE THEIR OP TROOPS AND AVOID THINGS LIKE XBOWS AND INFERNO TOWERS TO PARTICIPATE IN AN UNFAIR FIGHT THAT THEY STILL GET TO MAKE BANK OFF OF????????

This pretty much sums up the ridiculous system of forcing players to storage raid. It makes everyone prey on ths below them....how does that foster a true PVP experience? It doesn't.....it just makes people pick on weaker ths.

The whole system is just completely broken.

I seriously think they simply look at the total amount of gold in storages and that's how they gauge the entire economy. But the problem with that is that a ton of that gold is sitting in maxed or nearly maxed th10s and basically impossible to get to.

I've been GoWiPed twice in the last 2 days. And both times the attacker failed to get more than 2 gold storages. And they both deployed their troops properly. So an army that takes 2 hours to build, with 5 spells, and 2 heroes farms 200k (plus the 90K bonus).

And no other attack style has any hope of penetrating a good th10 base. So again, we are forced to look for people who can't design a good base or are premie if you want to storage raid.

What a joke this game has become.

[Shadow272727]

I agree. The game is flawed... and you helped me figure out why this game is so frustrating. Putting my TH out for someone to snipe is the only way I can protect my resource. Otherwise, I raid for 200k each of gold/elix, then I get raided for 300k+ because I'm TH10 saving for max upgrades. So I have no choice but to put my TH out and hope I get sniped. The game is flawed... and I'm starting to realize this now.

I don't think SC is going to change anything to fix this. Imagine redesigning the whole game because it was never really a good game to begin with. They'll ♥♥♥♥ so many current players off. They make money off gems... not people who buy the game. They have a thread dedicated to loot issues! Over 170+ pages of posts, and not one response from SC. So clearly, they don't care... unless you buy gems.

I strong urge anyone who bought gems to request a refund. I bet that will get their attention.

While I agree with a lot of what has been said and quoted throughout this thread, and also think the TH sniping/shield system is flawed, I'd like to point out that if it weren't for that system some of us would be screwed over by people with more time to play the game than we have. For example, lets say SC follows through and goes with the above suggestions to remove TH sniping thereby eliminating the "cheap" shield for those who actually can't play 12 hours everyday and actually work for a living; what you then have is the scenario where you get attacked far more frequently by highly active players without any way to protect yourself, and while I'm aware that this is all speculation from my point of view, I'm sure that this is something SC themselves have also considered which is why they haven't rushed into making a change yet.

Why would they trade one form of numerous complaints about loot shortages to another form of complaints about constantly being raided? I'm curious as to whether anyone else shares this view?

[tellingthetruth]

This pretty much sums up the ridiculous system of forcing players to storage raid. It makes everyone prey on ths below them....how does that foster a true PVP experience? It doesn't.....it just makes people pick on weaker ths.

And the most absurd thing is, the people claiming there is no loot issue and keep posting "proof", they are all collector raiding/barching inactives. And to add insult to injury, those are the same people claiming you should storage raid, that this is now the way the game is meant to be played..

[lulug]

Sorry for the novel but I hope it's worth reading. Valid points, I promise.

TH8 is the worst. No expanding army camps. No more pumps, mines or drills. You get almost enough walls. TH10's can find your base profitable and easily run your base over no matter how well your defense is arranged or upgraded (not that you have the tools to fight them in the first place) but for you, going to attack a TH6, 2 levels below you is a hilariously stupid venture. Higher taxes. Lower rewards. TH8's aren't particularly susceptible to a regular raid, so coming away with 50% or more of the available loot is no guarantee. Cost 580 every time, 20 times in a row you'll get a TH6 with 4k/4k/0. Why do I have to pay the same tax skipping fair fights as when I skip a TH that barely pays back the damn tax in the first place? Not logical.

The cost of structures hits a whole new bracket but there's no real way of achieving them, mines/pumps/drills don't produce nearly enough (or there's simply not enough of them), raiding is really hit or miss and riding shields pretty much just keep the tide level. Lazy builders are unacceptable in my village but at the same time, I have no work for them. I don't mind the week long waits as long as I can achieve the costs. Frivolously working to keep my stores level? Lame and not fun and probably won't be doing that for too long. I spent a few bucks for a builder, a few for the king....but I'm not spending money like I have a boosted gold mine in my backyard because I don't. I'm not going to either, this game is fun but not so fun I'd spend $1,000s like some folks.

Just one example, my DE store holds 40K. Trying to get to HALF for an upgrade but I can't because I'm open for over 1,000 DE every attack. I've NEVER seen that kind of DE on any base that I could actually get to it. So, I can raid for hours to get about 1,000 DE....just to lose it. One lvl3 Drill can't make that up. Lame. Not worth doing.

Sorry about the rant but I doubt I'm the only one noticing this. Bigger camps allow more freedom to raid higher. More mines/pumps (or higher levels than 11 these have been maxed for 2 freaking THs.). Or Idk, SOME KIND OF ABILITY TO PROTECT AGAINST LAME TH9/TH10 WHO TAKE THEIR OP TROOPS AND AVOID THINGS LIKE XBOWS AND INFERNO TOWERS TO PARTICIPATE IN AN UNFAIR FIGHT THAT THEY STILL GET TO MAKE BANK OFF OF????????

Sorry, but if you think YOU have a loot problem at TH8 I think you should probably quit the game whilst you can...

I can see that you are frustrated being rolled by TH10s, and you are correct that we have more camp spaces and drills, but every single other issue that you bring up in your post is worse on every level at TH10.

Nexting costs 1000 gold. I also see bases with less than 10k resources a lot... i gave up on a boost early again yesterday after finding NOTHING worth raiding. I ended up with a loss for the session.

Yes we have 3 DE drills, but my next queen upgrade is 165k. Try keeping that once you get over about 70...

Costs of buildings and structures are between 6-8million. We also still have no extra levels on the mines and collectors, and because loot is so hard to find, it can take days to get that much, and people can come along and take 450k i think it is from our storages. (ok doesnt happen very often, but it can)

The frustrations are the same for everyone, they just get exponentially bigger for TH10...

[tfulp]

Sorry, but if you think YOU have a loot problem at TH8 I think you should probably quit the game whilst you can...

I can see that you are frustrated being rolled by TH10s, and you are correct that we have more camp spaces and drills, but every single other issue that you bring up in your post is worse on every level at TH10.

Nexting costs 1000 gold. I also see bases with less than 10k resources a lot... i gave up on a boost early again yesterday after finding NOTHING worth raiding. I ended up with a loss for the session.

Yes we have 3 DE drills, but my next queen upgrade is 165k. Try keeping that once you get over about 70...

Costs of buildings and structures are between 6-8million. We also still have no extra levels on the mines and collectors, and because loot is so hard to find, it can take days to get that much, and people can come along and take 450k i think it is from our storages. (ok doesnt happen very often, but it can)

The frustrations are the same for everyone, they just get exponentially bigger for TH10...

Preach it brother!