Matching on Clan Wars its a ♥♥. Outnumber with Town Hall 10 on clan wars.

[epictetus]

The matching system has flexibility built into it. Otherwise, it would be difficult to find a match in reasonable amount of time.

Moreover, the match is based on offensive and defensive capabilities. It is possible that your clan could technically be outmatched on defense, but their offensive capabilities (troop levels, army camps) are less.

In my experience, we've actually had pretty good luck with clans that have more TH 10s than us because the bottom half of their TH10s are rushed. Many of them also don't have effective troops nor or are all of their army camps upgraded.

The biggest issue is overcoming the inferno towers, but it isn't insurmountable.

[hande]

Your Point. We had to go against th 10's every war in the past 9 wars and we had only th9s as . We HAVE NONE, we had strong th9s and 8s, and we won all of them.

To counter the th10 defense use armies like gowiwi to 2 star the th10s and aim to 3 star all the weaker bases. Get better base designs. Try everything else before you blame the matching making system.

This. The number of th10s does not mean the the match is good or bad. Match is calculated according to the strength of all the participating bases in a clan, both what comes to defense and attack. Who will win is a question of skills to design bases, skills to attack. Many th10s seem to be farmers that really dont know how to use strong attack armies. On the other hand, a good th9 can two star a th10 with infernoes. To get a touch with gowiwi and gowipe one needs to train them between wars, though. It does not work if it is only tried at war, it just yields puny attacks. Learn to be better and have a strong will, then you'll win.

[thomasandkulas]

Haha.. Grow up kiddo.. This always happens to us but this is the game, it's not perfect. Don't be a whiner.

[Elph]

This. The number of th10s does not mean the the match is good or bad. Match is calculated according to the strength of all the participating bases in a clan, both what comes to defense and attack. Who will win is a question of skills to design bases, skills to attack. Many th10s seem to be farmers that really dont know how to use strong attack armies. On the other hand, a good th9 can two star a th10 with infernoes. To get a touch with gowiwi and gowipe one needs to train them between wars, though. It does not work if it is only tried at war, it just yields puny attacks. Learn to be better and have a strong will, then you'll win.

Wrong. I've used this example before and I'll use it again. Say you have 2 clans with 9 guys and you get to choose which one to become the 10th member of. Clan 1 has 4 th 8's maxed and 5 th9's mostly maxed. Clan 2 has 5 th10's early, 1 th9, and 1 early th8, and 2 early th7's. Which clan would you choose to be the 10th member on? On paper the clans are equal. Assuming EQUAL skill, clan 2 will win 19/20 times.

Why you ask? The "maxed th9's" are completely outmatched against the 10's. Even against early/mid TH10's (early being level 1 IT's and level 1 3rd xbow) th9's absolutely struggle to get even 2 stars against a 10. I would bet the "average player" struggles to 1 star most th10's. 1 less spell and no freeze spells is a massive disadvantage.

On the contrary, even maxed th9's are relatively easy to 3 star as a th10 and extremely easy to 2 star. So in this fantasy war it would go like this.

Clan 1- 10 stars on the 5 th10's (tall order for everyone to 2 star, very unlikely), 12 stars assuming they 3 star everyone else. 22 total

Clan 2- 15 stars on the th9's, 12 stars on the th8's. 27 total

All the lower clan members in clan 2 are completely irrelevant given that each of the 5 th10's have 2 attacks.

The OP clan wars outcome isn't proof of good matchmaking, it highlights that skill kept them close. If both clans had equal skill they would've gotten smoked.

[Albano]

Haha.. Grow up kiddo.. This always happens to us but this is the game, it's not perfect. Don't be a whiner.

As grandpa Thomas was saying its just a game, but i think thats why the forum it is for to address the issue and fix the the problem so like this we will have a fair match war.

[SlightPurple]

Wrong. I've used this example before and I'll use it again. Say you have 2 clans with 9 guys and you get to choose which one to become the 10th member of. Clan 1 has 4 th 8's maxed and 5 th9's mostly maxed. Clan 2 has 5 th10's early, 1 th9, and 1 early th8, and 2 early th7's. Which clan would you choose to be the 10th member on? On paper the clans are equal. Assuming EQUAL skill, clan 2 will win 19/20 times.

Why you ask? The "maxed th9's" are completely outmatched against the 10's. Even against early/mid TH10's (early being level 1 IT's and level 1 3rd xbow) th9's absolutely struggle to get even 2 stars against a 10. I would bet the "average player" struggles to 1 star most th10's. 1 less spell and no freeze spells is a massive disadvantage.

On the contrary, even maxed th9's are relatively easy to 3 star as a th10 and extremely easy to 2 star. So in this fantasy war it would go like this.

Clan 1- 10 stars on the 5 th10's (tall order for everyone to 2 star, very unlikely), 12 stars assuming they 3 star everyone else. 22 total

Clan 2- 15 stars on the th9's, 12 stars on the th8's. 27 total

All the lower clan members in clan 2 are completely irrelevant given that each of the 5 th10's have 2 attacks.

The OP clan wars outcome isn't proof of good matchmaking, it highlights that skill kept them close. If both clans had equal skill they would've gotten smoked.

A max TH 9 should not have problem 2-starring a rushed TH 10. If by "early" TH 10 you mean a TH 10 coming from a max TH 9, then clearly the match was not even (when comparing the 2 players).

[Hallo1]

In one of our last wars the enemy clan had 12 more th10 than us. We always have enemy clans with more th10s cauz we all have a highly upgraded th9 with at least lvl 8 walls

[hande]

Wrong. I've used this example before and I'll use it again. Say you have 2 clans with 9 guys and you get to choose which one to become the 10th member of. Clan 1 has 4 th 8's maxed and 5 th9's mostly maxed. Clan 2 has 5 th10's early, 1 th9, and 1 early th8, and 2 early th7's. Which clan would you choose to be the 10th member on? On paper the clans are equal. Assuming EQUAL skill, clan 2 will win 19/20 times.

Why you ask? The "maxed th9's" are completely outmatched against the 10's. Even against early/mid TH10's (early being level 1 IT's and level 1 3rd xbow) th9's absolutely struggle to get even 2 stars against a 10. I would bet the "average player" struggles to 1 star most th10's. 1 less spell and no freeze spells is a massive disadvantage.

On the contrary, even maxed th9's are relatively easy to 3 star as a th10 and extremely easy to 2 star. So in this fantasy war it would go like this.

Clan 1- 10 stars on the 5 th10's (tall order for everyone to 2 star, very unlikely), 12 stars assuming they 3 star everyone else. 22 total

Clan 2- 15 stars on the th9's, 12 stars on the th8's. 27 total

All the lower clan members in clan 2 are completely irrelevant given that each of the 5 th10's have 2 attacks.

The OP clan wars outcome isn't proof of good matchmaking, it highlights that skill kept them close. If both clans had equal skill they would've gotten smoked.

Of course higher th is stronger if skills are the same and the higher th has same lvl defenses and troops. In real life however this is not necessarily the case. Our clan has only one th10, mine, others are th9 or lower. Many of our recent opponents have had more th10s and similar lowest level bases. Still we have won. You are wrong in that maxed th9 would be outmatched against th10. Our success in war proves that they are not. You can buy th level and all better troops and spells but you cannot buy skill. Winning 3 stars against a maxed th9 requires some skill even from a th10 and as I said in my previous mail, they dont often have it. The reason is simply that people having maxed th9 bases are generally much more experienced players than those with an average th10. Guess why, lol?

[Elph]

Of course higher th is stronger if skills are the same and the higher th has same lvl defenses and troops. In real life however this is not necessarily the case. Our clan has only one th10, mine, others are th9 or lower. Many of our recent opponents have had more th10s and similar lowest level bases. Still we have won. You are wrong in that maxed th9 would be outmatched against th10. Our success in war proves that they are not. You can buy th level and all better troops and spells but you cannot buy skill. Winning 3 stars against a maxed th9 requires some skill even from a th10 and as I said in my previous mail, they dont often have it. The reason is simply that people having maxed th9 bases are generally much more experienced players than those with an average th10. Guess why, lol?

No, you are wrong. Your anecdotal evidence isn't valid and you misread my post, i'll try again. With EQUAL SKILL an early (not previously maxed th9) th10 is a major major advantage over a maxed th9. I'm glad YOU and YOUR clan are so skilled that you can easily 2 star th10's but that is not common.

Feel free to post some epic vids of your th9 clan members 2 starring an average non-♥♥♥♥♥♥ed base setup TH10 with double IT's and 3 xbows. Just an average th10 that upgraded from a non-maxed th9. If you have a way to consistently 2 star them you are just flat out amazing and in the 0.01% of coc players. In fact, start a thread about it because I know lots of players could benefit from your mad skillz.

Bottom line, we've all had clan wars where the other clan looked like they would dominate but didn't secondary to being clueless. The matchmaking system doesn't know how much skill a particular clan has, therefore it's job is to assure equal matchups assuming equal skill.

[T1Girr]

No I don't... The simple fact that this war ended up being only a 1* difference is the proof of that. I know all about mismatches when it comes to TH differences, even TH10... but this may not mean squat when the war starts as no one ever knows what the other clan will be like attacking.

We've had six perfect wars now in our new clan, five of those being against clans with TH10 and IT (2-6) and I'm the only TH10 in my clan. If you have strong TH9 they should be able to 2* TH10 with IT every time, if the base layout is especially bad, they should (can) get 3* as well.

I'm not saying that from a glance your opponents were not stronger than you, I'm only saying that this doesn't mean anything. The ability to attack combined with clan participation does. You lost by 1*. NOT a mismatch at the end of the day.

The 1* difference was can obviously be attributed to the player skill of the weaker clan. Matchmaking is not supposed to match based off of player skill, but the strength of bases...that's the whole point of CW (measuring player skill).

Just another case of the clan with higher skill losing because of bad matchmaking. It has happened to us several times, and it upsets me too. Most of the time we win anyway because we are just that good, but when there are 4x as many Th10s as your clan all having max troops and max defenses, its a moot point.

T1Girr