Clan war on/off Button. (clan wars tearing clans apart)

[Brightpinkstar]

The 4th choice you are proposing--opt out buttons, is to your mind leveling the playing field.

Scared you wont win as many, it should be a level playing field.

Legion. Thanks for laying out your thoughts again. Tell me, how is it different if I have 50 members, but 10 opt out, or i have 40 members because 10 left? Because that's what has happened, only now we're down to 30. Please... Hear this... We don't want to split up, we don't want to kick, we don't want to only farm or only war. We just want to stay together and allow some of our friends not to have to war with us. It's exactly like having a separate farming clan, except its under one roof. That does not hurt you.

Agreed.

Probably because smart clans saw this as an advantage to send members of our feeder into opposing clans to fill their war cc with goblins.

You cant donate unless you are in war, so unless your clan has a crystal ball tell me how you would do this?

Legion you seem to have an opinion of 'I don't have a problem, so I don't care about yours' attitude. Just because you are prepared to kick and lose loyal members, doesn't mean every clan should. It also doesn't mean if you don't do that your can shouldn't have an even shot at war for those who want it.

I think you are just scared of coming up against a more war focussed set of players and have more chance of losing rather than raking in some easy wins occasionally. Either that or you are bitter you went through some pain of booting some good clan members.

[JtB]

*sigh*

OK RESTATING all of my arguments already posted in this thread:

1. It will no longer be clan wars, it will be a few guys in the clan going up against a few guys in some other clan. The times you have everyone in the clan working together like we do now will be rare as an albino rino.
2. it will give a handicap to the clans who didn't make the hard decisions that the rest of us had to make
3. 50v50 and 45v45 wars are done, gone, extinct like the dodo bird.
4. it will be abused like crazy, example: high level players with low level alts. alts all go to war, high level players fill clan castles with lvl 7 archers and barbs but opt out of war, low lvl alts dominate
5. People will abuse it in ways we can't even imagine (no example because I'm probably not smart enough to figure out all the ways this will be abused)
6. clan wars record becomes meaningless. Who cares if your clan is 110-0 in clan wars now it's not your clan's achievement, its a few guys' in your clan who participate in wars achievement.
7. We're 90-1 in clan wars, but in reality its only 10 guys of the 30 who actually participate in wars, and they don't allow anyone else to participate because they don't want to jeopardize their record.
8. I can see clans opting out everyone except their TH7's and lower, those TH7s 3 star every TH7 opponent with dragon attacks, get perfect score because they were matched up with another clan that can't defend against dragons.
9. leaders abuse their power by forcing lesser players to opt out, 'yea your little brother can join but he has to opt out of all wars'
10. player chooses not to opt out when leader tells him to, friction arguments ensue. Player is kicked for wanting to participate.

OK I added a few because I was on a roll... I'm sure if you give me an hour I can add to this list.

Just say it, you are afraid of tougher wars. Most of those reasons are hogwash and not worth a response.

[Jietoh]

Just say it, you are afraid of tougher wars. Most of those reasons are hogwash and not worth a response.

Great response... Thank you... I'm done...

[LegionOK]

Scared you wont win as many, it should be a level playing field.

The playing field is already level.

Legion you seem to have an opinion of 'I don't have a problem, so I don't care about yours' attitude.

No, the only reason you have a problem is that you choose to address it in the number of ways which have been suggested.

I think you are just scared of coming up against a more war focussed set of players and have more chance of losing rather than raking in some easy wins occasionally. Either that or you are bitter you went through some pain of booting some good clan members.

Not really. Right now we're warring with a Reddit clan. Solid group of guys. (Reddit Apex) I think we got the advantage of a good draw TH wise, but their war layouts indicate that these guys know what they're doing. It'll be a challenge.

I like warring with focused clans, but wonder just how many 50-person groups will ever have not one single person opting out? How long is that going to take to match?

And easy wins are something we get for just having everyone show up. Why should we not get those? Can you answer me that?

[AgentO]

Legion and jietoh. ( sorry if i mispelled them)

Your arguments would make sense if they were based on what was actually happening. Right now clans are kicking before the war starts and reinviting afterwards. That is already happening! How does an opt out button that makes this process less cumbersome hurt? And if you are really worried about it hurting participation just put a limit on the number that can opt out, say 5.

it is very true that there will be fewer 50 on 50 but the ones that are remaining will be strong clan vs strong clan isnt that what you want?

Again, supercell could just add war leagues to clear up a lot of these problems also.

and don't assume that just because i am in favor of an opt out that i am not the leader of a strong clan that hold its own in wars.

[My2kings]

It will no longer be clan wars, it will be a few guys in the clan going up against a few guys in some other clan. The times you have everyone in the clan working together like we do now will be rare as an albino rino.

That would only be the case if the majority of people did not like clan wars.

it will give a handicap to the clans who didn't make the hard decisions that the rest of us had to make

How so? What possible advantage is anybody going to gain over your clan that is willingly all hardcore about war? That's like a child who wants a cookie but also wants to make sure the other kid *doesn't* get a cookie. Just enjoy your cookie and stop worrying about what he gets.

50v50 and 45v45 wars are done, gone, extinct like the dodo bird.

There are still clans like yours. Don't be such a fatalist. The reality is that not much would change at all. Clans that don't have 50 hardcore warriors have already fractured into smaller clans so they aren't battling against you now either.

it will be abused like crazy, example: high level players with low level alts. alts all go to war, high level players fill clan castles with lvl 7 archers and barbs but opt out of war, low lvl alts dominate

No they won't. Spectators can't load war cc's. Problem solved.

People will abuse it in ways we can't even imagine (no example because I'm probably not smart enough to figure out all the ways this will be abused)

There are countless ways I can refute this argument but I'm probably not smart enough to think of them all.

clan wars record becomes meaningless. Who cares if your clan is 110-0 in clan wars now it's not your clan's achievement, its a few guys' in your clan who participate in wars achievement.

First, is that really important? Really? Second, all clans have turnover, so each win is with a different set of members anyways. And who cares if I have 5 guys in my clan who are friends but don't want to war with us so the rest of us are responsible for our record?

We're 90-1 in clan wars, but in reality its only 10 guys of the 30 who actually participate in wars, and they don't allow anyone else to participate because they don't want to jeopardize their record.

I completely agree that leaders should not have control of who can participate.

I can see clans opting out everyone except their TH7's and lower, those TH7s 3 star every TH7 opponent with dragon attacks, get perfect score because they were matched up with another clan that can't defend against dragons.

Again, agree that leaders should not decide.

leaders abuse their power by forcing lesser players to opt out, 'yea your little brother can join but he has to opt out of all wars'

Opt out or get kicked is the same as leave or be kicked as it is now.

player chooses not to opt out when leader tells him to, friction arguments ensue. Player is kicked for wanting to participate.

Whereas today he's just simply kicked.

[JtB]

Great response... Thank you... I'm done...

The truth hurts sometimes.

[Bipi]

*sigh*

OK RESTATING all of my arguments already posted in this thread:

1. It will no longer be clan wars, it will be a few guys in the clan going up against a few guys in some other clan. The times you have everyone in the clan working together like we do now will be rare as an albino rino.
2. it will give a handicap to the clans who didn't make the hard decisions that the rest of us had to make
3. 50v50 and 45v45 wars are done, gone, extinct like the dodo bird.
4. it will be abused like crazy, example: high level players with low level alts. alts all go to war, high level players fill clan castles with lvl 7 archers and barbs but opt out of war, low lvl alts dominate
5. People will abuse it in ways we can't even imagine (no example because I'm probably not smart enough to figure out all the ways this will be abused)
6. clan wars record becomes meaningless. Who cares if your clan is 110-0 in clan wars now it's not your clan's achievement, its a few guys' in your clan who participate in wars achievement.
7. We're 90-1 in clan wars, but in reality its only 10 guys of the 30 who actually participate in wars, and they don't allow anyone else to participate because they don't want to jeopardize their record.
8. I can see clans opting out everyone except their TH7's and lower, those TH7s 3 star every TH7 opponent with dragon attacks, get perfect score because they were matched up with another clan that can't defend against dragons.
9. leaders abuse their power by forcing lesser players to opt out, 'yea your little brother can join but he has to opt out of all wars'
10. player chooses not to opt out when leader tells him to, friction arguments ensue. Player is kicked for wanting to participate.

OK I added a few because I was on a roll... I'm sure if you give me an hour I can add to this list.

1. Why would it be different? people who want to war war, people kick/reinvite the. No change
2. Happens today..pacifists just join back after war is set.
3. Happens today. If there are not 50 or 45 wars then obviously not everyone wants to war or has RL things to do. you can still make your hardcore guild and say everyone wars...kick em when they dont play the game your way!
4. Happens today, you ever watch Clash w Cam lvl 10 and a bunch of lower levels and he stocks with max troops
5. How can they not do this today?
6. How is this important? A lot of people change clans, who you won wars with may not be the same people you are winning with tomorrow? no different than today
7. Again how is this different than what can be done today? is there a record also tracking wins with how many participated? People can and do create 10 man war clans, obviously if someone is not allowed to war they switch clans (grasping at straws)
8. Again can be done today...What exactly are you arguing about?
9. broken record, please tell me how this already is not taking place?
10. ....you know the line. Player is kicked for not wanting

TLDR All these things can be done today...giving an opt out button just makes life easier on leaders and everyone.

[LegionOK]

Legion and jietoh. ( sorry if i mispelled them)

Your arguments would make sense if they were based on what was actually happening. Right now clans are kicking before the war starts and reinviting afterwards. That is already happening! How does an opt out button that makes this process less cumbersome hurt? And if you are really worried about it hurting participation just put a limit on the number that can opt out, say 5.

Good then, so there's no problem?

it is very true that there will be fewer 50 on 50 but the ones that are remaining will be strong clan vs strong clan isnt that what you want?

We get both--easy wins and tough matchups. We deserve to get both. Bad clans shouldn't have the ability to avoid us if they choose to go to war.

Again, supercell could just add war leagues to clear up a lot of these problems also.

Sounds like a fantastic idea. Give the clan a sort of shield and clan trophies and increase bonuses in higher leagues. The only trouble is that it would be exploitable and clans could deliberately shed trophies to farm wars.

and don't assume that just because i am in favor of an opt out that i am not the leader of a strong clan that hold its own in wars.

It's a safe assumption.

[Bipi]

We get both--easy wins and tough matchups. We deserve to get both. Bad clans shouldn't have the ability to avoid us if they choose to go to war.

There it is, you are just sour on having more competition and the fact that Oklahoma rage would not have as many wins. True warmongers want competitive, its more exciting, and you learn and get better.