Clan war on/off Button. (clan wars tearing clans apart)

[LegionOK]

Legion, maybe I've not read back enough to see your specifics. Yes you've stated that you're afraid it will change the game for the worse. Ok. How??? Give a well reasoned way that the game will be negatively affected. I'm honestly interested in hearing it, but I haven't seen it stated by you or anyone else.

I think I've explained it already. I'm really done repeating myself over and over and being ignored.

But one last time won't hurt, I guess.

Clan wars has always been about a total team effort. About my clan lining up against yours and seeing who is the better of the two. I've worked hard to get near total participation, you refuse to (or so you say).

I like to war at 45 v 45 or 50 v 50. I imagine that except for elite war clans who get total participation, 50 v 50 would be a thing of the past. Also, matchups would probably take hours to accomplish. It's already pretty bad. And that would result in a lot of more of what you people are complaining about, bad matchups.

A clan like yours should have three choices:

1) Be content with finding someone occasionally who is actually less active than your own clan for a win;
2) Fix your problem by improving coordination and communication;
3) Don't war.

The 4th choice you are proposing--opt out buttons, is to your mind leveling the playing field. I'm here to tell you we all play by the same set of rules. The playing field is already level. I'm guessing you came from the "everyone gets a trophy and there are no losers" camp where you really think you are going to win every single matchup where there's a 50/50 chance you will lose.

I say, you right now have the power to improve your own odds. If you don't, the other team deserves the win.

[LegionOK]

As a clan leader for over 2 years I did the same thing you did to long-time members who just werent good at wars or who didnt go with the program.

And it worked, didn't it?

I still think leaders need the ability to decide who goes to war, it makes things so much easier.

Well hell.. while we're at it, SuperCell can give you a suggested base, suggested war loadout and suggest placement for your troops to get 3* in war raids. It'd all make it so much easier. That way we could all tie with a perfect score. It would be amazeballs.

It makes no sense to be against something that makes running clans so much simpler. So why are so many people with lots of war wins against this idea? Are they afraid wars might get a little tougher?

Because we don't need simpler and don't want Supercell holding the hands of people incapable of managing their clans properly.

[My2kings]

Legion. Thanks for laying out your thoughts again. Tell me, how is it different if I have 50 members, but 10 opt out, or i have 40 members because 10 left? Because that's what has happened, only now we're down to 30. Please... Hear this... We don't want to split up, we don't want to kick, we don't want to only farm or only war. We just want to stay together and allow some of our friends not to have to war with us. It's exactly like having a separate farming clan, except its under one roof. That does not hurt you.

[JtB]

And it worked, didn't it?



Well hell.. while we're at it, SuperCell can give you a suggested base, suggested war loadout and suggest placement for your troops to get 3* in war raids. It'd all make it so much easier. That way we could all tie with a perfect score. It would be amazeballs.



Because we don't need simpler and don't want Supercell holding the hands of people incapable of managing their clans properly.

Really? But thats what they have done in the past with updates and still do. Why did they give us the ability to dump our war castle troops? People had the same argument against it as you do against the opt out feature. Why did they give us the ability to dump our clan castle troops this update? To make things easier, that is their history with updates, to make the game run more smoothly.

[Bipi]

If people are so busy that they cant drop in two times for 3-5 minutes during the 24 hour War time then how in the world can you expect them to log in in time to opt themselves out of the War?

Much easier to just kick them and Reinvite and then when they finally decide to log back in they accept the Invite. Much simpler and it allows for the part time players to not have to log in as much.

And anyone that wasn't willing to spend the elixir cost on war troops would get kicked immediately.

Yes you can kick/reivite but thats clunky and the person basically has to keep a spreadsheet for up to 50 people of whos in who's out which can change daily...super PITA.

They do need to fix this as sometimes someone gets kickked accidentally or someone is left in and shouldnt be. We use FB to post whether in or not...but if you were trying to do this within game yea forget about it.

[LegionOK]

Legion. Thanks for laying out your thoughts again. Tell me, how is it different if I have 50 members, but 10 opt out, or i have 40 members because 10 left? Because that's what has happened, only now we're down to 30. Please... Hear this... We don't want to split up, we don't want to kick, we don't want to only farm or only war. We just want to stay together and allow some of our friends not to have to war with us. It's exactly like having a separate farming clan, except its under one roof. That does not hurt you.

So do what I do, I send out a message telling them that war is starting the same time it always starts. If they don't want to war, they can leave the clan or join the feeder, then come back when war starts.

Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

Or you can be lazy and lose wars. Your choice.

[LegionOK]

Why did they give us the ability to dump our war castle troops?

Probably because smart clans saw this as an advantage to send members of our feeder into opposing clans to fill their war cc with goblins.

People had the same argument against it as you do against the opt out feature. Why did they give us the ability to dump our clan castle troops this update? To make things easier, that is their history with updates, to make the game run more smoothly.

But this isn't the same as the above. The above was taking advantage of a system to do irreversible damage to the other clan. Not attacking in war is the most reversible condition in the world. Either get the inactive player to attack or kick them. Simple.

[My2kings]

So do what I do, I send out a message telling them that war is starting the same time it always starts. If they don't want to war, they can leave the clan or join the feeder, then come back when war starts.

Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

Or you can be lazy and lose wars. Your choice.

Got it. Let's all resort to cumbersome workarounds instead if just making easy fixes.

[Jietoh]

Legion, maybe I've not read back enough to see your specifics. Yes you've stated that you're afraid it will change the game for the worse. Ok. How??? Give a well reasoned way that the game will be negatively affected. I'm honestly interested in hearing it, but I haven't seen it stated by you or anyone else. Just being afraid of change doesn't make change a bad thing.

*sigh*

OK RESTATING all of my arguments already posted in this thread:

1. It will no longer be clan wars, it will be a few guys in the clan going up against a few guys in some other clan. The times you have everyone in the clan working together like we do now will be rare as an albino rino.
2. it will give a handicap to the clans who didn't make the hard decisions that the rest of us had to make
3. 50v50 and 45v45 wars are done, gone, extinct like the dodo bird.
4. it will be abused like crazy, example: high level players with low level alts. alts all go to war, high level players fill clan castles with lvl 7 archers and barbs but opt out of war, low lvl alts dominate
5. People will abuse it in ways we can't even imagine (no example because I'm probably not smart enough to figure out all the ways this will be abused)
6. clan wars record becomes meaningless. Who cares if your clan is 110-0 in clan wars now it's not your clan's achievement, its a few guys' in your clan who participate in wars achievement.
7. We're 90-1 in clan wars, but in reality its only 10 guys of the 30 who actually participate in wars, and they don't allow anyone else to participate because they don't want to jeopardize their record.
8. I can see clans opting out everyone except their TH7's and lower, those TH7s 3 star every TH7 opponent with dragon attacks, get perfect score because they were matched up with another clan that can't defend against dragons.
9. leaders abuse their power by forcing lesser players to opt out, 'yea your little brother can join but he has to opt out of all wars'
10. player chooses not to opt out when leader tells him to, friction arguments ensue. Player is kicked for wanting to participate.

OK I added a few because I was on a roll... I'm sure if you give me an hour I can add to this list.

[Bipi]

So do what I do, I send out a message telling them that war is starting the same time it always starts. If they don't want to war, they can leave the clan or join the feeder, then come back when war starts.

Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

Or you can be lazy and lose wars. Your choice.

You are being obtuse, yes you can kick people, have them leave, do all sorts of things but why not make it easier. Its a quality of life improvement for every clan out there and doesnt hurt your game play in any way shape or form other than you prefer to do things the hard way?

I bet you open bottle caps with your teeth because going to get the opener is just plain lazy...