League update: FEEDBACK here

[wjkang98]

I have been playing this game for a long time now and I see many up's and down's with the updates that you guys are giving, but this is just too much that most of the updates now are about $money$.

Decreasing the loots from storage is another strategy that you(Supercell) took in order for us non-gemmers to fork out money from our pockets, which shows how greed can really consume a person and most of all a company. You might as well change the company name to SuperFreemium.

Thanks for the update but no thanks.

The "purpose" of the league system is...

✔ Get a Loot Bonus out of every victory just from being in a League!

✔ Loot Bonus increases the higher you climb in the Leagues

What else? Bragging rights, sweet league badges and opportunities to make the league system even better. How about to address the common user complaint that trophies held no value?

This is first iteration of leagues, and, obviously, we will continue to improve on the league system. It's how game development works these day: release a DEEP feature, gather feedback, iterate feature, gather feedback, iterate feature, gather feedback, iterate feature, etc.

It won't ever be perfect, but we are in the "gather feedback" stage and therefore appreciate all the feedback you are throwing our way!

Hope that answers your question.

Steve

Sure, because you tiny little 1k of gold replaces the 20-30% of loot right? Do you even have a common sense? Even if I was in Champions League 100.000 are NOTHING

[Valvatorez]

The update is great, except obviously the loot. I have a few ideas how to fix everything on that front:

Gold, elixir, and dark elixir come into the game through two methods 1) Collectors and 2) Gems. If you look through forums and someone asks "Should I upgrade my collectors?" you hear a litany of replies on the lines of "Nahh, u get moar from stelazings!". The problem is, if everyone steals and doesn't invest in their collectors, they burn through the stealing on whatever upgrades and don't put much back into the economy to be stolen. The majority of the stolen loot out there comes from inactive players, or players saving up for something big who have stolen it from inactive players. Most active players burn through things quickly on walls -- that's why after the 25 new walls at TH7, the gold in the economy has been awful and is taking a while to restabilize.

So to fix part of the problem, everyone needs to max out at level 11 collectors, that will bring in a lot more available loot into the CoC economy and will eventually make everyone get more in the long run. This kind of phenomenon is known as a collective action problem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collect...action_problem)

The next ways to help the problem is on supercell's part. Making league bonuses be given the same on a 1 star vs. a 3 star was possibly the most confusing part of the whole league mess. I put all of 5 minutes thinking about this and I came up with a perfect solution:

1 star = 20% of the bonus loot, 2 stars = 75%, 3 stars = 100%. The reason being is 1 staring someone is trivial -- you put your townhall outside and thats that. Two staring someone is far more difficult and requires strategy and sometimes more advanced units. 3 staring a high end base is almost impossible unless you go completely w♥♥♥♥adoo with the very best of the best units and rage spells. So lets use an example.. Right now I get 5700 gold and elixir no matter what I do. With the other system in mind, lets say the 5700 was a 1 star loot, 20% of X = 5700, solve for X, we get 28.5k gold/elixir. That's still a little low for almost 1700 trophies, but anyway, if I 2 star the person, I would get 21375 or so, which actually is pretty decent since it's a bonus. If I go out and slaughter the guy, I get my full 28.5k.

Guess what, you then give someone incentive to really play the game and use more units and you don't allow people to take advantage of the bonus loot.

One final comment, make level 12 collectors and make them pump 6k per hour, everyone will be happier for it.

[SuperAWFULcell]

Hey jenn...

Thanks for your opinion...

The fact that your a level 60 says alot aboit your position on this game... You just dont have the experience to know where we are coming from....

250 walls x 200k.... Ill let you do the math and then figure out how long it would take for you to farm that much gold... Especially now with the loot reduction.... And thats only lvl 7 walls... Lvl 8 are 500k a piece x 250 walls....

Honestly your out of your element here...

[Lb123z]

I'm a bit lost SuperAWFULcell, what are you demanding an explanation for?

I'm gathering that you think we are greedy? Do you want me to explain why you think we are greedy? I feel like you have done a great job of explaining your position on your own and I would have trouble explaining your position for you since I don't agree with you.

If you have some specific questions about the update, feel free to fire away. I will get you as accurate and full answers as I possibly can.

Thanks again!

-Steve

Once again you clearly do not defend yoursekf with facts. You only said "I don't agree with you." That's not enough. Explain why you don't agree with him instead of just brushing him away.

[jenniifuh]

I have purple and black walls so I am pretty happy with them. I am going to max my walls to all black within this month I would say. It's pretty good for someone only playing for 2 months, no?

[Illustris]

Steve has done the courtesy of trying to respond to various points here and there. And we all have a voice.

But, there's a way of expressing frustration, feedback, suggestions, etc, without foaming at the mouth. If it continues, I fear Steve and the other staff members will tune out. And that's just a lose-lose.

The points can be valid, but it's the way it's said, folks. Let's keep it civil.


Illustris the Moderator Behind ZachUVA

[zachUVA]

Hey jenn...

Thanks for your opinion...

The fact that your a level 60 says alot aboit your position on this game... You just dont have the experience to know where we are coming from....

250 walls x 200k.... Ill let you do the math and then figure out how long it would take for you to farm that much gold... Especially now with the loot reduction.... And thats only lvl 7 walls... Lvl 8 are 500k a piece x 250 walls....

Honestly your out of your element here...

Ok, how about a lvl 90 with mostly skull walls? I have paid only to get 5 builders, nothing more. Time is a valuable currency in this game.

The negativity here is appaling. Everyone's opinions are valid.

[Bot]

In troop donations instead of just donated how about donated, received and net? This would provide clan leaders with way more information on its members contributions.

[Lb123z]

Fair enough, something is indeed better than nothing. I was hoping this was more to address the high cost of troops used at higher trophy levels, incentivising more people to compete there, Leagues won't do that for me. I think it's also also up to you, Supercell, to figure out the best way to steer us into the way you want us to play while keeping us wanting to play.

They also decreased the loot you can get in every battle. I am seeing a 40k decrease of both resources after the update. The league bonus is far from making up for that.

[PololoP]

Update: Leagues (version 3.124)
What's new:






Introducing Leagues: compete in your own division!


✔ Joining a League is easy: just own 400 trophies or more!


✔ Get a Loot Bonus out of every victory just from being in a League!


✔ Loot Bonus increases the higher you climb in the Leagues






New unit, defenses and building upgrades


✔ Rock Hard: summon a mighty Golem with Dark Elixir. A glutton for punishment, the Golem won't stop even if you ♥♥♥♥ it in half!


✔ Upgrade the Dark Barracks to level 4 to unlock the Golem


✔ Bolster your defenses with an additional Wizard Tower and a Seeking Air Mine at Town Hall level 9


✔ Level 5 Clan Castle and level 7 Hidden Tesla upgrade now available, also at Town Hall level 9!






Clan improvements


✔ Clan Leader is now able to send messages directly to Clan Members' inboxes


✔ Chat message formatting overhauled


✔ Clan tournament length increased to two weeks, reward doubled


✔ Troop donation statistics now reset every other week


✔ Clan troop donation information is now visible to all players, not just Clan members






Usability improvements


✔ If Clan Castle has space for more troops, "Request" message displayed on top of it


✔ Added option for rotating a Wall section


✔ Added confirmation dialog when speeding up unit and spell upgrades


✔ Attack notification improved for players playing with multiple devices






Balance tweaks


✔ The percentage of loot that can be stolen from Gold Storage and Elixir Storage was decreased to make it easier for newer players to save up resources. The maximum possible amount of loot remains the same.


✔ Upgrade times for Hog Rider, Minion, and Valkyrie decreased


✔ Air Bomb explosion radius decreased


✔ Level 5 Minion hitpoints decreased


✔ Hidden Tesla trigger radius increased


✔ Gold Mine, Elixir Pump and Dark Barracks upgrade times reduced


✔ Spells are now much faster to create


✔ Balloons explode and deal additional damage when destroyed


✔ Wall Breaker behavior improved


✔ Mortar and Wizard Tower don't restart their attack cycle if their would-be target is destroyed, instead they switch targets


✔ Clan Castle troops deploy faster to the battlefield


✔ When your village is under attack from flying units only, your melee troops will stay inside the Clan Castle






Also many small bug fixes and tweaks!

Hi! Let's collect all feedback here! Every comment, thought and suggestion is highly appreciated, please post everything here

Release notes
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...rsion-3-124%29

How Leagues work:
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...w-Leagues-work

Edit: I added links to Release notes and League thread.

League System is nice but can be improved. The amount of elixier and time I have to increase an army for higher trophy counts doesn't reflect in the slightest on the league bonus. How about including player level and take the current numbers for lvl 10-20?

Could we please have specifics about the numbers loot bonus and upgrade times have been reduced and how wallbreakers have been "fixed" to better understand what is intended and what needs to be posted in the bug forum.

The gem reward is another thing which needs overhaul. Obviously the amount would't give anyone able to get it anything and therefor meaningless. I really like the idea to make it about clans donations.

Thank you guys for ur effort and look forward to you reply.