Dumb Hero Movements: Smarter Hero Update Failure (Pics inside)

[Phoenix64]

You should count yourself lucky. Here's what my Archer Queen did recently:

First, she gets hit by a multi-inferno tower:



Then she breaks through the wall and walks up to the inferno tower, but for some reason decides to ignore it:



Inexplicably she ignores the inferno tower, tesla coil, XBow, cannon, and archer tower who are all hitting her. Instead, she focuses on the air defense, the only defense building that posed absolutely no threat, and which is actually behind the inferno tower that was hitting her the entire time.



Needless to say, she didn't do very well.

This is the best!

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[Phoenix64]

I would say go for it even if he has been re-balanced.

"Yeah, I mean, the BK is even stronger than before at all levels below ten, so I'm not sure I want to get him." Is what Phoenix heard from this genius exchange. You're a level 140, bro, you should have explained this to the poor guy.


"I'd (Bruno Mars) catch a grenade for ya..." Pull the pin, and throw it back in your face.

[Phoenix64]

Will try and get some answers for you on Monday, if not earlier.

Thx for posting.

The thread goes on and on, though...

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[Phoenix64]

Heroes, same as other units, have a minor randomiser system when choosing a new target, allowing them to act more "realistic" when fighting instead of following the exact same pattern, like a robot, for every attack. The intention is not to make them fail or miss obvious targets, but to add more depth and variety to each battle. The result is that occasionally their movement seems less linear than it should be. This is very hard to notice, so good on you for catching it.

We'll make some minor adjustments in the future, but this is more or less the intended behavior.

Cheers,

Steve

So you think that committing suicide is "realistic".

"And you let her go..."

Realistic? The game isn't realistic at all, If a witch is popping out skeletons then heros go for nearest target skeletons and not the skeleton producing witch.
Realisitically if I was the queen then I would target only th lol so we know it isn't realistic.


You said its suppoused to be like that then say you will fix it?

Phoenix can list 20 super obvious reasons that almost everyone has seen at one time or another that crush the idea of realistic Clashing.

Come on man cant you see this amazingly realistic behavior??
cant you praise supercell for their amazing work that adds depth and variety to the game?


Steve answer was the biggest waffle ever seen on this forum. Heroes and overall AI is totally broken and you try to tell us its working as intented ? Please answer about WB AI since last update, opening one compartment and then killing useless walls of the very same set of walls' working as intented too?
Ai is broken, fix it please. Heroes are stupid.

In fact, why don't the archers just take cover behind the walls? They'd be harder to kill!




You hammer on a bomb to make it stronger. Bro, you threw away logic the second you downloaded the game.

[Phoenix64]

Nobody can explain the AI of wall breakers. I've seen replays where some seem to actively run away from walls......

You think that a muscle-less, brainless thing that wants nothing more than to blow itself up and everything around it is supposed to have good judgement.


"This place's about to blow-ow-ow-ow-ow-ow-ow-ow!"

[Diepine]

This always happens to me...I figured because they like to derp..my clan is "Gods of Derp" after all..So this is a bug?

[Phoenix64]

SC's response to obvious bugs: "It's not a bug, it's a deliberate feature!"

Here's a related AI bug that just happened to me: I dropped my AQ, and the bullseye mark showed her target as the DE storage.



But guess what? She attacks the gold storage instead.



I guess the AQ is hitting the nearest target, like she is supposed to. But why does the bullseye mark something else?

Remember how she lost a lot of health in the update? Well, the abrupt weight loss did some real damage to her body, and she can neither see nor walk straight anymore.

"I can't think straight."

[Lloopy14]

You think that a muscle-less, brainless thing that wants nothing more than to blow itself up and everything around it is supposed to have good judgement.


"This place's about to blow-ow-ow-ow-ow-ow-ow-ow!"

Are you feeling ok? Dare overload is dangerous and, in severe cases, may result in infractions....*


And no ... In this case the wallbreaker ran away from the wall in front of it along some funneling....where it got taken out be an archer tower.

Wall breakers developing phobias about walls is a serious matter and i ask you to treat it as such!

* i have no idea if it does ... Just a bad attempt at humour

[Phoenix64]

I do read. Do you? I clearly acknowledge the queen initially targeted the de storage. There is a caveat which you are failing to comprehend. When troops travel long distances and are not actively firing upon a target they will check for more optimal targets or paths. This is what they are doing during the slight pause you are most likely to notice when they are going for that last builders but in the corner. Being that the queen was traveling a long distance to the de storage she had more than enough time to change targets or readjust her path. Which is likely what happened.

Why did you completely ignore the second part of his question?

Check and mate. Eat your words. Oct. 2013
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ht=Retargeting

It does mark the intended target however as stated that is subject to change until the troop does damage to a structure and locks on.



Show me where this rule of the bulleye is? Or are you the one BSing?


I have not seen the behavior that you speak of. Troop retargeting usually requires the troop to be traveling some distance for the retargeting to take affect.

That thread was in Mid October. In Phoenix's 13 years of experience on this Earth, "never" does not mean "it did not happen before Mid October".

All in all, Phoenix is highly skeptical about all this ridiculous AI.

Are you feeling ok? Dare overload is dangerous and, in severe cases, may result in infractions....*




And no ... In this case the wallbreaker ran away from the wall in front of it along some funneling....where it got taken out be an archer tower.


Wall breakers developing phobias about walls is a serious matter and i ask you to treat it as such!


* i have no idea if it does ... Just a bad attempt at humour

Phoenix is peachy keen. Why do you ask?

[nesnnesn]

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Can you explain to everyone how I used a straw man here? I took your argument, that it never used to happen, and showed that to be false. This disproves your statement and is not a straw man.
An example of a straw man would be something like, I dunno, taking a thread used as evidence to disprove the statement that this behavior is new to the game. Then claiming the thread was used an argument that this is not a bug.

Check and mate. Eat your words. Oct. 2013
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ht=Retargeting
Shows the statement of fact to be wrong.

You are strawmanning because my statement: "Sorry, troop re-targeting never used to happen with the bullseye mark" was intended to support my original argument that this was a bug. Since this bug happened in 2013, then yes, my saying that it never used to happen was not an accurate way to describe it. But my original argument that this is a bug still stands.

However, your argument to dispute that this is a bug is clearly proven wrong:

When troops travel long distances and are not actively firing upon a target they will check for more optimal targets or paths. Is a statement of fact.

Check and mate. Eat your words. Oct. 2013.
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ht=Retargeting
Shows the statement of fact to be wrong.

Your argument that troops walking toward the bullseye, will check for more optimal targets is proven false by these pictures, because the BK did not choose the closest target.