Clan war whitelist option (Opt In/Out of War)

[nowhere1978]

It works like this . . .

Since we don't know the equation that SC uses for calculating troop/defense strength the numbers I am using here are simply to represent how the clans are matched.

Clan A has 20 members with a combined strength score of say 2000 and all 20 of them opt-in for the war.

Clan B has 30 members, but their top 10 opt-out of the war leaving their bottom 20 members who also have a strength score of 2000.

As a result of the 20-vs-20 matchup and even score, Clan A and Clan B are selected by the system to be matched up and the war prep begins. Only people in the war can fill defense castles so the troops inside can be considered even. Bases in Clan B will probably be stronger designs since hey have more powerful/experienced players helping them design their bases. Huge advantage to Clan B. War day starts and the attacking troops are evenly matched except that Clan B has clan castles full of maximum level witches/vals/hogs/dragons to attack with that allow them to steamroll their "evenly matched" opponents, particularly with the help of their more experience clan mates helping them strategize their attacks.

In the end Clan B steamrolls the competition and earns themselves another win, more loot for their developing members, and the recruiting boost that comes with a solid war record. This is why you would rather send your WEAKEST members into a war instead of the strongest.

Clan A feels dejected and starts to complain on the forums about how unfair clan wars are. And they are right.

I have read many threads and points about this. I agree it is being asked a lot, over and over, but feel this should continue to be the case as this is a forum for discussing people's wishes, the best way to get across how important / unimportant a requested issue may be is to keep seeing how many people it affects and how much of a reaction it causes.

To give my own opinion on the matter, I have yet to read a single argument for or against this issue that cannot be "worked around" using various methods.

The balance and tactics that could be employed to cause unfair clan wars are all readily available right now. Any clan that feels the need to win a war like this can do so simply by manipulating trophy counts and having people join / leave the clan during war search. If you are that way inclined then you will work the system anyway. Your exact example would just require the top 10 players to leave the clan. Then start the clan war search, once found, they come back to the clan and donate their max level troops.

The same goes for those that want the opt out feature. If they just leave the clan before a war search then they won't be in it. Simple.

However, the one factor that is different between these two is that the opt out is for people who do not want to participate in clan wars. If some people in the clan wish to go to war, why should the ones that don't have to go to the effort of leaving the clan and coming back later. It's the wrong people that need to do the manipulating.

I personally have a family/friend clan. There are just 14 of us and it is a closed clan, it has parents and children and friends. We have pretty much every town hall from 3 to 10 and a range of leagues from bronze to masters. Some of us farm, some of us get trophies, some of us just use it to chat. Some of us would like to war, some of us would not. Some of us can war, some of us can't. We are in the situation that we struggle in many wars due to people being on holiday, at school, in bed, etc. We have to choose to "game" the system by asking friends, family, children to leave / rejoin the clan, or we just feel dejected in clan wars because we often do not stand a chance.

Don't penalize those that want to enjoy playing the game because you're worried about those that want to manipulate the system. The ones that manipulate will do so anyway.

[Phyxios]

I have read many threads and points about this. I agree it is being asked a lot, over and over, but feel this should continue to be the case as this is a forum for discussing people's wishes, the best way to get across how important / unimportant a requested issue may be is to keep seeing how many people it affects and how much of a reaction it causes.

To give my own opinion on the matter, I have yet to read a single argument for or against this issue that cannot be "worked around" using various methods.

The balance and tactics that could be employed to cause unfair clan wars are all readily available right now. Any clan that feels the need to win a war like this can do so simply by manipulating trophy counts and having people join / leave the clan during war search. If you are that way inclined then you will work the system anyway. Your exact example would just require the top 10 players to leave the clan. Then start the clan war search, once found, they come back to the clan and donate their max level troops.

The same goes for those that want the opt out feature. If they just leave the clan before a war search then they won't be in it. Simple.

However, the one factor that is different between these two is that the opt out is for people who do not want to participate in clan wars. If some people in the clan wish to go to war, why should the ones that don't have to go to the effort of leaving the clan and coming back later. It's the wrong people that need to do the manipulating.

I personally have a family/friend clan. There are just 14 of us and it is a closed clan, it has parents and children and friends. We have pretty much every town hall from 3 to 10 and a range of leagues from bronze to masters. Some of us farm, some of us get trophies, some of us just use it to chat. Some of us would like to war, some of us would not. Some of us can war, some of us can't. We are in the situation that we struggle in many wars due to people being on holiday, at school, in bed, etc. We have to choose to "game" the system by asking friends, family, children to leave / rejoin the clan, or we just feel dejected in clan wars because we often do not stand a chance.

Don't penalize those that want to enjoy playing the game because you're worried about those that want to manipulate the system. The ones that manipulate will do so anyway.

so was that a yes or a no?

[Spudsicles]

I have read many threads and points about this. I agree it is being asked a lot, over and over, but feel this should continue to be the case as this is a forum for discussing people's wishes, the best way to get across how important / unimportant a requested issue may be is to keep seeing how many people it affects and how much of a reaction it causes.

To give my own opinion on the matter, I have yet to read a single argument for or against this issue that cannot be "worked around" using various methods.

The balance and tactics that could be employed to cause unfair clan wars are all readily available right now. Any clan that feels the need to win a war like this can do so simply by manipulating trophy counts and having people join / leave the clan during war search. If you are that way inclined then you will work the system anyway. Your exact example would just require the top 10 players to leave the clan. Then start the clan war search, once found, they come back to the clan and donate their max level troops.

The same goes for those that want the opt out feature. If they just leave the clan before a war search then they won't be in it. Simple.

However, the one factor that is different between these two is that the opt out is for people who do not want to participate in clan wars. If some people in the clan wish to go to war, why should the ones that don't have to go to the effort of leaving the clan and coming back later. It's the wrong people that need to do the manipulating.

I personally have a family/friend clan. There are just 14 of us and it is a closed clan, it has parents and children and friends. We have pretty much every town hall from 3 to 10 and a range of leagues from bronze to masters. Some of us farm, some of us get trophies, some of us just use it to chat. Some of us would like to war, some of us would not. Some of us can war, some of us can't. We are in the situation that we struggle in many wars due to people being on holiday, at school, in bed, etc. We have to choose to "game" the system by asking friends, family, children to leave / rejoin the clan, or we just feel dejected in clan wars because we often do not stand a chance.

Don't penalize those that want to enjoy playing the game because you're worried about those that want to manipulate the system. The ones that manipulate will do so anyway.

I'm agree with all your points, and I'm gathering you are all for this with a YES.

From what I gather it would just make your family/friend clan easier to go to war if you didn't have to "manipulate trophies" or "asking friends/family to leave and rejoin the clan".

[Spudsicles]

Hey Phyxios,

Is it possible to add to the title for your "White List"? Maybe change it to, "Clan White List Option (Opt In/Out of War)".

I'm promoting your thread and all for it... posting a link to your thread every time a new thread regarding the same idea comes up.

I tried PM'ing you but your inbox is full.

[Phyxios]

Hey Phyxios,

Is it possible to add to the title for your "White List"? Maybe change it to, "Clan White List Option (Opt In/Out of War)".

I'm promoting your thread and all for it... posting a link to your thread every time a new thread regarding the same idea comes up.

I tried PM'ing you but your inbox is full.

fixed that I'll see if a mod will change it.

[Sokitani]

I like the opting in and out bit but what if you and the leader/co didnt get along and they decided to bully you by not letting you join the war?

I think you should be able to choose if you are in the war or not but not le the leaders choose

[Phyxios]

I like the opting in and out bit but what if you and the leader/co didnt get along and they decided to bully you by not letting you join the war?

I think you should be able to choose if you are in the war or not but not le the leaders choose

why would you still be in the clan then?

also its YOU who hits the check box.

the leaders can only fill in extra spaces with people who never opted in.

meaning its the players who opt in, and leaders who just fill the remaining slots for war.

[BoringGarbage]

We are really facing a problem. Some people in our clan want to do wars every few days and some only want to do them a time or two per month. But it has become apparent that wars are very difficult to win if participation is low. If even 15% don't participate it can cost the win even if the participating players did quite well with their attacks. Wars are already enough of an expensive proposition for the donators and a gamble for the participants anyway. Give us a fighting chance.

We don't want our friends to go elsewhere because we don't go to war enough, but without an opt-in button we can't hope to win regardless of how lame our opponent's attacks are. We had a war this last weekend where our opponent was crushed statistically but had 10 more attacks completed than we did so they won. Most of us spent more than 4 times what we earned for participating. You can't be mad at clan members that had to work on war day or were otherwise indisposed but it makes all of us want to abstain from the wars altogether if we are just going to spend a ton of resources and time planning for nothing.

We're all really good friends and so the answer isn't going to be 'split up into factions'. But, we shouldn't be penalized for having friends that aren't ALWAYS as enthusiastic about the game as we are. And they shouldn't have to feel like they're holding us back because they can't always spend 2 or 3 hours on a given day playing the game. We were toying with the idea of spinning up a 'War Clan' and just letting the individuals that WANT to participate in a given war join the war clan for it, but our main clan is invite-only which poses an annoying problem, not to mention, then the main clan leader can't participate without losing his chair as leader. And of course there's the whole 'stats' problem with that too.

I have a level 9 and a level 10 base and nearly all my troops are maxed. I play this game a LOT. I have never felt the need to request a feature until now. But I had to for this one. I specifically joined the forums to respond to this post.

[Cor5ta]

best idea!!!

[UberJray]

Best idea I have read since Clan Wars came out.

Since leaders are often the most active and manage clan affairs, I think it would be best if the leader selects who is in war and who is not, or at least has a higher authority to change the opt in and outs to suite the desired war size.

As it is 24 hours before we declare war, all members comment in clan chat their availability. We also make new member spectate first wars and we also have a few members who just do not want to war. 10 minutes before war is declared we then have to kick, declare and invite everyone back.

The problem with this method is: 1. Its requires considerable effort and 2. it resets members donations for the season.

This idea of opt in/out (perhaps with clean leader having a higher selection authority) is a must!