Clan Wars, is there enough loot is it worth the hassle?

[gallantblade]

I just registered with the website today after seeing this thread on the forums. I have been playing clash of clans since it came out, I am level 102 with a TH 9. My question for everyone is this....HOW ARE YOU LOSING RESOURCES IF YOU'RE WINNING WARS?!?!?

I find it very hard to believe that people are here complaining about the resources being "too low". I MIGHT agree with you guys on the dark elixir, but even then, I never lose resources if our clan wins, ever. Here is the army I usually run with:

60 archers
14 giants
6 wizards
6 wall breakers
2 witches
1 golem
Lvl 11 BK
Lvl 11 AQ

I also have 2 rage and 2 healing spells equipped at all time, but rarely use all 4 in battle. Running with this army will pretty much guarantee you a star (maybe even 2 based on design) in the clan wars, and you will not lose resources. I pretty much guarantee myself 700k/700k/2k+ every war (our clan has won 25 wars now). I know what you guys will say next. "Using 2 witches and a golem uses up 900 DE, so 2 attacks will make it 1800 DE, so you only profit 200 DE every war". True. But don't forget the fact that I farm, and I have 2 maxed out DE drills that get me 100 per hour. So you guys either need to become better attackers, switch up your army comps or SOMETHING because ever since Supercell made clan wars, I have made nearly 20 million in resources, nearly all gold and elixir purely profit.

If you are restricting yourself to only a 1 star "maybe 2 star" army you aren't really helping your team are you?

If everyone played for just 1 star, and the odd 2 you would lose many wars.

Sounds like you are riding the success of your teammates...

Two of the best 2-3 star armies are mass hogs and GoWiWi. Both cost a lot of DE. As does the Witches, Golems & Hogs you donate to your clan mates. Unless of course you are selfish and do not donate them to your teammates...

I have no issues with the gold & elixir payouts. But the current dark elixir payouts need to be multiplied by at least 3. As per my comparison to a full storage raid and current payouts the game offers. The balance is totally skewed.

And this is assuming you WIN every war, even the best clan war clans lose sometimes.

[MySlaves]

Me and my friends have a nice small local clan and we just like to do it for the fun. It's a new objective other than just upgrading and attacking now requires teamwork in order to win. It's a new goal and it allows you to see the active members of your clan the only reason you get loot is so that you get something in return. And btw nobody forced you to use dark troops.

[gallantblade]

And btw nobody forced you to use dark troops.

That is 100% true. But for many dark troops is their best tool, why should we feel like using our best tool is a bad idea?

Clan Wars, in my belief should be able to promote an arena where you can raid with your best against the enemies bases at their best without feeling compromised. Something the game itself cannot provide.

Yet, poor dark elixir payouts and unavailable heroes on attack compromise clan wars.

As such, clan wars is not as good as it could be. That is disappointing.

[GETNDATCUDIBOY]

If you are restricting yourself to only a 1 star "maybe 2 star" army you aren't really helping your team are you?

If everyone played for just 1 star, and the odd 2 you would lose many wars.

Sounds like you are riding the success of your teammates...

Two of the best 2-3 star armies are mass hogs and GoWiWi. Both cost a lot of DE. As does the Witches, Golems & Hogs you donate to your clan mates. Unless of course you are selfish and do not donate them to your teammates...

I have no issues with the gold & elixir payouts. But the current dark elixir payouts need to be multiplied by at least 3. As per my comparison to a full storage raid and current payouts the game offers. The balance is totally skewed.

And this is assuming you WIN every war, even the best clan war clans lose sometimes.

Not really helping my team? Riding the success of my teammates eh?

Everyone knows that when you get to a high level/town hall, the BEST you can hope for is 2 stars. So I must assume you are probably still a town hall 6 or 7 or something because if you had any idea how hard it is to 3 star a maxed out TH9 (which my base is) or even a premmie TH10, you would not of made that silly comment.

As for being selfish? Yeah, you hit it right on the nail. I am the #1 every war, and also the leader of my clan. I ship out 5 wizards to every war castle we fight in. So once again, you are wrong there.

Lastly, riding the success of my teammates. You are 3/3. Because I am the #1, I am forced to attack the enemies #1 and #2 most of the time, so know that whenever I get 2 stars, my clan is delighted. I cannot remember the last time I 3 starred a maxed out TH9 or a somewhat decent TH10, but by all means, if you do it all the time, do share. One more thing, for the record, I have got 110 stars and nearly 20 million in the clan wars. You are pretty good at figuring people out though....

The whole point of my post wasn't to rag on people who are crying about the DE. I say to those people, if DE is becoming such a problem and you want to save them up for your heroes, you can either run with the army I suggested...OR DONT USE DE TROOPS! Simple as that...

[gallantblade]

Not really helping my team? Riding the success of my teammates eh?

Everyone knows that when you get to a high level/town hall, the BEST you can hope for is 2 stars. So I must assume you are probably still a town hall 6 or 7 or something because if you had any idea how hard it is to 3 star a maxed out TH9 (which my base is) or even a premmie TH10, you would not of made that silly comment.

As for being selfish? Yeah, you hit it right on the nail. I am the #1 every war, and also the leader of my clan. I ship out 5 wizards to every war castle we fight in. So once again, you are wrong there.

Lastly, riding the success of my teammates. You are 3/3. Because I am the #1, I am forced to attack the enemies #1 and #2 most of the time, so know that whenever I get 2 stars, my clan is delighted. I cannot remember the last time I 3 starred a maxed out TH9 or a somewhat decent TH10, but by all means, if you do it all the time, do share. One more thing, for the record, I have got 110 stars and nearly 20 million in the clan wars. You are pretty good at figuring people out though....

The whole point of my post wasn't to rag on people who are crying about the DE. I say to those people, if DE is becoming such a problem and you want to save them up for your heroes, you can either run with the army I suggested...OR DONT USE DE TROOPS! Simple as that...

Hehe, very passionate post; respect.

Responding primarily to the parts in bold.

My signature says what hall I am. Town Hall 9, and maxed out.

I am very; very capable of handing ANY Town Hall 9 a 3 star loss. But can ONLY do it with GoWiWi or Hogs. No other combination can achieve it. Dark Elixir is an absolute premium resourse.

Also possible against some TH10s, weaker ones obviously with poor Inferno placement.

Clan Wars loot doesn't come close to re-paying what I spend to give my clan [well former clan] the absolute best possible outcome for my clan. Which is a good chance to get a 3 star win.

By using an elixir based army instead against a max TH9 or decent TH10 I have NO CHANCE of getting 3 stars. I'd be settling for 1 or 2 at best.

That is the difference.

[GodII]

The point of clan wars is not loot. Also I happily take the extra gold and elixir for the 1000 dark elixir or so I lose every war.

[GETNDATCUDIBOY]

Hehe, very passionate post; respect.

Responding primarily to the parts in bold.

My signature says what hall I am. Town Hall 9, and maxed out.

I am very; very capable of handing ANY Town Hall 9 a 3 star loss. But can ONLY do it with GoWiWi or Hogs. No other combination can achieve it. Dark Elixir is an absolute premium resourse.

Also possible against some TH10s, weaker ones obviously with poor Inferno placement.

Clan Wars loot doesn't come close to re-paying what I spend to give my clan [well former clan] the absolute best possible outcome for my clan. Which is a good chance to get a 3 star win.

By using an elixir based army instead against a max TH9 or decent TH10 I have NO CHANCE of getting 3 stars. I'd be settling for 1 or 2 at best.

That is the difference.

While I said that I am always aiming to get 2 stars, believe me when I tell you that I have 3 starred maxed TH9's in the clan wars without having to use GoWiWi or Hogs. I guess I am super talented. I have been running with the army I listed for the last 3-4 months and it never fails me. I am in masters III and actually snipe out town halls whenever I get the chance to collect on that 75k bonus. You should really give it a try, I promise you it wont let you down. If I need to save up on DE, I do that army, if I want to save up on elixir, then I make hogs. Either way, there is ALWAYS a way to get the resources you want to get based on how you attack....at least I do...

[Diepine]

Well, you could always barcher it..Though it's tough vs maxed TH10s ...I end up losing loot in clan wars, even when we win. But, I personally think clan wars are for "honor", or respect rather than for loot, and the war loot is just a means of getting some or most of your loot back. Now , if you can raid with a cheap army, you usually can't get past the 1 star, but if you use a more expensive army, say, GoWiWi, you don't get 100% of your loot put in back...so, is it a matter of choosing which you want, or can you get the best of both?

[Eric87]

You gain in gold...
And VERY little DE

[Meharin]

As more clans who don't win 100% of the time realize they are losing resources, they stop playing, leaving better clans left, who then have to play each other, some of them lose, get demoralized, lose resources, war less often and the cycle continues. The few people in each clan who like wars leave their clan (often long-time upstanding members), which is a further downer on the clan.

Also, this is hard on casual clans who are full of TH9/10. It is difficult for the average casual player to take down dual-inferno bases or anti-hog bases, making people feel like losers who are constantly letting their clan down.

Clan matchmaking rewards having a clan of half noobs with puny bases, half pros, if you want to win. I have experimented and it is indeed easier to win this way, but I forgot how annoying it is to have a kajillion little kid noobs in the clan.

I'm sad to say: the way things are now are how I would keep things if I wanted to destroy clan wars, clans, morale, and Clash of Clans.