Nurf Hogs already!

[DyEl]

You shouldn't have to specialise your base to defend against ONE troop-A good base should basically be non-prem and a good design. The fact that you can flatten any TH9 or below just by using an overpowered unit is unacceptable in a game. This is because it removes the necessity for skill and replace skill with GEMS.
And this reason is unfortunately why hogs are not getting the nerf they need to balance the game. Supercell has transformed a game that is play for free to pay to play. Spend a couple gems on DE to buy hog riders and have tons of fun ruining bases. Just use ringus on TH9 and hope the hog attackers are as stupid as they are pushovers and money wasters.
Ringus has worked excellently for me and I enjoy watching replays of low-strategy-skill players wasting their gems on my hog ring. And if someone hog attacks you, load up a nice GoWiWi and revenge the **** out of them.

Hogs are the quickest easiest way to exploit the most common mistake people make when designing their defenses. That's pretty much it. Anti-hog bases have that name, but any good base should have anti-hog principles in them. Why don't you complain about dragons and the need for bases to have a certain anti-air design if they want to avoid getting stomped by mass dragon or balloon/minion?

Hogs have been nerfed twice, so I don't see how you can justify the statement that SC won't ever nerf Hogs out of a desire to get gems.

And then you go on to brag about having a base that wrecks Hogs? And then you brag about stomping them with a better troop combination? (A combination that requires more time and DE, so even more gems). You're being crazy.

[Gendel]

It's sad how bad the arguments are for both sides. But especially the side against a hog nerf. Seriously, if you are going to argue that hogs are fine (and there are certainly points you can bring up to defend this), don't use these stupid arguments with faulty logic:

1. "They were nerfed twice already. Deal with it." This logic is stupid as hell. It doesn't matter what the unit was like in the past. If the previous nerfs were a dark elixir cost increase by 1 and an increase in training time by 1 second, would this argument hold? No, of course not. What matters is the state of the troop right now.

2. "Use them yourself." So if supercell released a spell with a 30 minute train time and 2,000 dark elixir that instantly flattened a base if used on the exact center tile, would you still just say "use it yourself?" Hopefully not, as this fixes nothing and just perpetuates the imbalance. Also, stop assuming that anyone who wants to nerf hogs doesn't already use them himself. I use them all the time. Still doesn't change the fact that they are overpowered.

3. "You got destroyed by hogs. Move on." Similar to the case above. If this mindset were employed nothing would ever be fixed and we might as well give hogs 100000 hitpoints.

TL;DR come up with better arguments than "deal with it," "they were already nerfed," and "use them yourself"

That's all for my rant. Now someone can tell me that there is not an imbalance when we have multitudes of bases th9 and below designed specifically around a single unit because you are screwed otherwise.

Well said, totally agree players using those 3 arguments should really think this over and hopefully not post them anymore, your logic is sound. However you have conveniently missed out any of the valid arguments and have tiled every keep hogs as they are post with the same brush. I said it before and I'll say it again Th9 can beat hogs, players just have to design original and well conceived layouts. If a player has to copy the most popular design or just build a totally rubbish one, then they don't deserve to win on defenses.

Hogs are powerful but not the most powerful loadout in CoC, get good at the game or expect to be getting pawned on a regular basis, just the way it should be imo.

[HFlashman]

I am a th9 with anti hog base (ring, double bombs ect) but if someone with max hogs comes along, theres still no chance. nurf them, i just lost 2.5k DE and 350k gold (over 400k including bombs to replace) This is ♥♥.

Hey ...i agree! And while hogs are being nerfed, add in dragons, balloons, high level giants etc. I was two starred and lost 1500 DE and 250+ K of both gold and elixir. No hogs....they used dragons, balloons, high level giants and a level 5 BK. Dagnabbit!

The utter gall to loot from me ! Now I'm gonna have to loot from another player. Jeesh ....

( Psst...use a hog wall instead of a ring. Against unskilled hoggers, it makes it a battle with winnable odds).

[NeuralFusion]

Wanna know what I see?

"waahh wahhhh I just lost resources because I was raided! waaahhhhh! Now I have a 12 hour+ shield waaahhh"

"waaahhhh I don't want to use hogs because i hate it when they use them on me waaahhhh"

"waahhhh now I have a revenge option so I can go use hogs on him then he cant attack me again waahh"


"waahhhhhh I got raided by hogs waaahhhhh"

"waahhh I got raided"

"waaahhh"

"WWAAAHHHH"

Seriously.. stop crying about this..

Do you see TH6's crying because TH7 max troops wipes them out easy? no.














waaahhhhh.

[GodII]

Well said, totally agree players using those 3 arguments should really think this over and hopefully not post them anymore, your logic is sound. However you have conveniently missed out any of the valid arguments and have tiled every keep hogs as they are post with the same brush. I said it before and I'll say it again Th9 can beat hogs, players just have to design original and well conceived layouts. If a player has to copy the most popular design or just build a totally rubbish one, then they don't deserve to win on defenses.

Hogs are powerful but not the most powerful loadout in CoC, get good at the game or expect to be getting pawned on a regular basis, just the way it should be imo.

Oh I welcome any valid argument that is offered (hence I noted there are good arguments for keeping hogs the same). I posted because I was just annoyed at the kind of arguments were being used. Things like "cry more" ♥♥♥♥ me off because it brushes off the issue and I always have to thank the fact that supercell uses a more intelligent mindset.

Anyway, I have to disagree with your argument. The layout to defend against hogs HAS to be anti hog ring of some sort unless you rely on a double bomb somewhere with a super stupid attacker. It limits base designs too much is what I am saying.

Hogs are the quickest easiest way to exploit the most common mistake people make when designing their defenses. That's pretty much it. Anti-hog bases have that name, but any good base should have anti-hog principles in them. Why don't you complain about dragons and the need for bases to have a certain anti-air design if they want to avoid getting stomped by mass dragon or balloon/minion?

Same thing as what I said above basically. To defend against hogs you have to very much specialize against them by organizing your whole layout around them. To defend against dragons, you can just have very well placed air defense towers. Balloonion is similar, but well placed xbows pointing up are recommended. Anti hog limits your base design way too much. As such, I will call them imbalanced and overall a bad influence on the game because of it.

[Xlcblx]

It has to be his base.. Hogs dont touch me

[ClashLegend02]

Wanna know what I see?

"waahh wahhhh I just lost resources because I was raided! waaahhhhh! Now I have a 12 hour+ shield waaahhh"

"waaahhhh I don't want to use hogs because i hate it when they use them on me waaahhhh"

"waahhhh now I have a revenge option so I can go use hogs on him then he cant attack me again waahh"


"waahhhhhh I got raided by hogs waaahhhhh"

"waahhh I got raided"

"waaahhh"

"WWAAAHHHH"

Seriously.. stop crying about this..

Do you see TH6's crying because TH7 max troops wipes them out easy? no.














waaahhhhh.

I agree. People need to quit whining and deal with it. Its part of the game.

[NeuralFusion]

I agree. People need to quit whining and deal with it. Its part of the game.

Exactly. If your losing every last drop of resources because of hogs, the build hog armies, and REVENGE THEM. THEY CANT ATTACK YOU BACK! FREE RESOURCES! Hello people?!?!

This is a game that revolves around raiding other people. If you don't lose resources, how do you expect to gain resources? seriously. Quit whining, get better at the game, and win.

Whining hogs is as useful as windows vista. Need I say more?

[DarkHero]

I am a th9 with anti hog base (ring, double bombs ect) but if someone with max hogs comes along, theres still no chance. nurf them, i just lost 2.5k DE and 350k gold (over 400k including bombs to replace) This is ♥♥.

Stop complaining about hogs. If you don't want to be 3 stars or get most of your loot taken then create an anti-hogs base. Or you can go to townhall 10 and get the multi-inferno towers(problem solve).

[Xlcblx]

Dont nurf them..