Forfeit Clan War Match [READ ALL]

[kelu]

and how is it fun going against a clan that has several TH10 and your clan has 9 and below ?
the matchmaking system is complicated and i doubt they can ever get a perfect solution.

TH 10 doesn't mean they are better.

We have been up against clans with more TH10 and won. You have to remember that more than just town hall gets factored in. Just because they have TH 10, doesn't mean they have an inferno, 3 xbows, max walls, etc etc.

There are many TH9 players that can beat a TH10 given the matchup of troops/defenses.

I don't think the matchmaking is ridiculous at this point. I can't say I share the same opinion as you in terms of the degree of the problem.

I will say that we NEVER have had a matchup where I felt we had no chance whatsoever or couldn't compete. Usually a top heavy clan is weaker in the middle and or bottom. That balances it out.


I don't think the matchmaking is so complicated that it can't be improved more. As I said, I don't see it as flawed as you are depicting.

[Zclash]

right now we are matched up with:
3x TH10
2x TH9
rest 9 and below


and we only have:
1x TH9
2x TH8
and rest below 8

they have high level walls, cannons etc... if they just boosted there TH and have low level defense then i can understand the balance, however thats not the case.

[hawdog]

they will have an easy win dont see an issue. did u read how it works?

Did you realize you changed your OP from the time that I posted? You added a whole bunch of stuff that wasn't even there when I responded. Don't make it seem as though I didn't read your post, buddy.

donated troops wouldn't be wasted if a clan is organised and if they both choose to forfeit then that's their choice. they will only loose 24 hours of time not 48 hours.

Think about it. Chances are, only one clan (the weaker one) wants to forfeit. Meaning the stronger clan has probably already donated troops to their clanmates thinking the war is on.

They will lose 48 hours if two back-to-back clans forfeit against them.

Forfeiting is a bad idea. My clan has beaten most clans we are matched up against that have more th10s than us. It's because we take our time to study our defender, and our bases are not too rushed, our clan castles are centralized and mostly unlurable, so we can defend well.

[hawdog]

And what is the fun in that ?

It's like saying you want to go play basketball against a team, they don't show up, and you win if you score one basket.

You came for the competition, not just to get handed a win. If it's so easy for people to back out if it isn't stacked in their favor significantly, then what do you think they'll do ? They'll keep dumping till they find it.

And I'm sure you could add more and more rules to this concept to make it feasible, however, it's just a bad concept to start in terms of an approach to solving the core problem.

Work on the matchmaking to make it more even, as was said earlier.

This is a very well written and thought out response.

To add to it, let's say you keep forfeiting against clans that look tougher than you. Finally, you find a clan you think you can pick on, then what? They'll probably forfeit against YOU. This is such a waste of time for everyone. Matchmanking will do their best to put you up against a comparable clan, so just do your best and try to win the war.

[kelu]

Think about it. Chances are, only one clan (the weaker one) wants to forfeit. Meaning the stronger clan has probably already donated troops to their clanmates thinking the war is on.

They will lose 48 hours if two back-to-back clans forfeit against them.

Forfeiting is a bad idea. My clan has beaten most clans we are matched up against that have more th10s than us. It's because we take our time to study our defender, and our bases are not too rushed, our clan castles are centralized and mostly unlurable, so we can defend well.

amen and amen.

Our lowest member had 3 defenses and they weren't able to 3 star him. So, there's more at play than a TH etc.

Challenge yourself. That's how we view it.

[Zclash]

Think about it. Chances are, only one clan (the weaker one) wants to forfeit. Meaning the stronger clan has probably already donated troops to their clanmates thinking the war is on.

They will lose 48 hours if two back-to-back clans forfeit against them.

if 2 clans forfeit they will lose 24 hours.

Preparation day = 24 hours, once preparation day ends they start a new challenge.

[hawdog]

and how is it fun going against a clan that has several TH10 and your clan has 9 and below ?

the matchmaking system is complicated and i doubt they can ever get a perfect solution. if its perfect then no1 will bother forfeiting.

It IS fun. It's called a challenge. You can beat them with goo base design, and smart attack strategies. More experienced clashers should be instructing the newer ones on things such as war base design, and attack strategies. Watching replays of others should be very helpful already, so encourage that within the clan.

The matchmaking system is very fair I would say 80% of the time.

[hawdog]

if 2 clans forfeit they will lose 24 hours.

Preparation day = 24 hours, once preparation day ends they start a new challenge.

You're not understanding me, let me try once more.

If clan A is matched up with clan B, then clan B forfeits, that is 24 hours wasted.

So clan A has to look for a new opponent, they find clan C. Then Clan C also forfeits.

Now clan A has wasted 24 hours due to clan B forfeiting, and they have wasted an additional 24 hours because clan C forfeited.

If the next few matchups (clan D and clan E) also decide to forfeit, then clan A would have wasted 3 or 4 days or more, since no one wants to go up against them. That's not fair to clan A.

[Zclash]

You're not understanding me, let me try once more.

If clan A is matched up with clan B, then clan B forfeits, that is 24 hours wasted.

So clan A has to look for a new opponent, they find clan C. Then Clan C also forfeits.

Now clan A has wasted 24 hours due to clan B forfeiting, and they have wasted an additional 24 hours because clan C forfeited.

If the next few matchups (clan D and clan E) also decide to forfeit, then clan A would have wasted 3 or 4 days or more, since no one wants to go up against them. That's not fair to clan A.

clan A will still be able to attack clan B, but they will not attack back/not there to be able too. so clan A is practically going against a clan that has disappeared but is still attackable. if anything the match will become a guaranteed win.

[kelu]

clan A will still be able to attack clan B, but they will not attack back/not there to be able too. so clan A is practically going against a clan that has disappeared but is still attackable. if anything the match will become a guaranteed win.

The point you are consistently missing is that people will "continue" to forfeit until they get what is "acceptable" to them.

The people they leave in their wake, are NOT getting what they want, which is a clan war. They are just getting a forfeit handed to them. The whole idea of a clan war is that both sides are attacking and trying to get the most stars.

If one team isn't even present.... do you see that as compelling ? I don't.