Cavebears *new thread*

[SpeChi]

And I wasn't sure if I should break my shield lol

[mayana70]

Wow, that was more than I ever got... and you even did it without healer and giants !!
... it must have been the viking aura or fluffys help... or whatever!!

Keep on, SpeChi !

C U Mayana

[Cavebears]

Hello vikings,

Since my giants finally have level5 they constantly get drawn into all kinds of weird quarrels with other vikings.
You might remember my dispute with Matchstickx (which was resolved in true viking fashion by Match winning an epic duel,
where he knocked me out with the 3rd empty barrel that he threw at me)
As I am currently sitting behind a very convenient shield I have time to tell you about the latest dispute
we got in:
Another viking giant claimed:
"I am twice as strong, I can throw my axe twice as fast,
so I kill my opponents in half the time, getting rich twice as fast"

Regardless of whether he actually is twice as strong my scholars argued that his reasoning is completely
flawed anyway.... and of course I will share our theoretical considerations with you:

1) Being "twice as strong" is probably supposed to mean that his arm can exert a force twice that
of my guy. That would indeed mean that he would axcellerate the axe twice as strongly.
BUT the length of his arm is not any longer, so his faster axe will be released after a shorter time - when
his arm is fully extended.
His stronger accelatation for a reduced amount of time translates to a subpropoportinal growth in
max velocity with growing strength.

2) All of these guys are really strong and their axes fly really fast, hence relativistic effects are not to be neglected
and the mass increase will dampen the velocity increase, again making it subproportional.

3) If this guy really achieves double max velocity of his thrown axe then it will be more affected by
atmospehic drag, which increases with velocity squared, so the drag will be quadruple initially!
Unless his target is really close his initially higher speed of the axe will decay more quickly with distance.

4) Also the conclusion that double speed of the axe makes double damage would be incorrect, because
the damage inflicted is likely propoportional to the kinetic energy deposited by the axe into the targets face,
being consumed by the (likely lethal) deformation work on this poor guys skull.
Energy however scales quadratically with speed, not linearly.

5) Assuming these guys actually do double damage (a mathematically grossly oversimplified assumption) that means...
... not much, because the military effect in reality is quantized : You kill a guy in CoC with 1, 2,3...n hits
with n being a natural number. Whether you see any net effect depends on your opponent.
If you are a giant and beat upon a lvl2 goblin for example then ANY giant (lvl3,4,5 or 6) will kill the goblin in
one shot - there would be no point in being stronger. (different of course if you smash into a lvl 9 wall).
Back to this mans original statement:
making double damage means beating your opponent in 50%-100% of original time, not necessarily "half"
... againt output subproportional to input.

6) Does this mean you get richer twice as fast?
Well, that depends a lot on what your limiting factor is ! (theory of constraints)
... If you just cant find any better loot then it is of minor relevance how fast you can 3-star someone :-)
... if your giants (regardless how strong) survive being grilled by 2 wiz towers only when supported by a healer
then you are not making more than 1 such attack in 20 minutes regardless of your giants strength.

However: If (given your stronger giants) you can do some attacks without healer or with less giants than before
then your frequency of attacks can go up.
Also you could possibly tackle tougher opponents with higher loot (the correlation between
defensive strength and loot is weak however)

but for that you need not only be stronger but also more flexible, clever and aggressive as a commander.

Somehow the "stong guy" who can throw the axe so fast had no interest in these thoughts to we
decided to get drunk together.

C U

Mayana

Mayana. I am in awe. Your analysis of the dynamics of axe throwing provide a fascinating insight into the the cost effectiveness of giant upgrading. However despite your exhaustive study I do feel the need to point out several oversights.

Dark matter. What is the effect of dark matter upon the axe? Granted yes, the effect of dark matter and its interaction with our Universe is barely understood, but barely knowing anything has never stopped Vikings from invading it. We should consider how to might be possible to invade dark matter in order to more fully study the effects of this mysterious substance.

String theroy. Until we know how to invade the other dimensions of our Universe we will never be able to reconcile our knowledge of axe throwing theory with Giant proportionality. To this end it is essential we learn how to throw axes at right angles to reality. I suggest we dedicate a crack team of our most drunk Vikings to this task.

Quantum Wave fluctuations. Very well, we may see a decrease in the proportional destructiveness of a higher levelled giant's axe throw. But is this always the case? What if there was no one there to observe the Giant throwing the axe? Is it possible that our very observations of the axe is somehow actually affecting its performance? We need to devise an experiment where the influence of an outside observer can not possibly affect the performance of the axe. I suggest we use cats. Cats are not interested in anything else except themselves and food, so it stands to reason that their influence upon the axe will be zero. I suggest we approach Lord Loki in the Riverbear clan and ask him to volunteer some cats for our purposes.

[SpeChi]

HAIL MIGHTY BEARS FROM THE RIVER!

As you might know we will expand our empire into the SKY!
The main purpose of Skybears will be hunting trophies in preparation of the new league system.
If anyone of you want to join our adventure to the top leave me a quick message!

Requirements should be the same as in Rivers/Cave.
Minimum Donation/week: ~100 (will be increase in the future)
Age: +18
Trophies: 1400 (?)

Please share your thoughts and ideas and I will adapt them into the new thread.

[Msplumr98]

Optophobe wanted me to tell everyone his phone broke, and it is being repaired. He won't be on this week, till he gets it back.

[NeonSam]

Level 34 with a TH 9, I'm thinkin gems....

Here you go leech, whatever your username is. @leech

[Optophobe]

Hi guys I'm gonna be a bit inactive next week please excuse my poor donation numbers, bears.

[Jorgbear]

Sunday evening is upon us once more and the donations have been counted!!

DP		2007
Megaaan		1716
Leech		1393
Azuhma		1129
Tanys		1120
spoon		1088
Jorg		1070
mayana 70		954
Sidlon		824
ashleyped7		815
squire		774
MsPlumr		709
O'Hammill		686
Phoenix		668
bizron		635
Spechi		596
Buttnutz		504
angels4		504
suneloon		496
CookleDo		448
ceemonstuh		447
Deblet		442
Andrew		440
Optophobe		425
shawn		420
Gobchopper		405
Pitchbl4ck		394
Bob Fossil	(Now in Icebears)	390
koolprince14		381
Mattluca		366
123bigboo		333
fidanzal		316
boomster9		311
Isaac		310
Mr Skip		280
mjmalino		279
Dayala		243
Quasihobo		232
NeonSam	New	225
cdawg		219
JasonP520		209
Acewyatt19		208
jinhua		180
John		178
Dave J Adam	New	146
Alex R	New	108
Kymarr	Sleeping	30
Matchstickx	Sleeping	25

Those under 200 are therefore:

jinhua		180
John		178
Dave J Adam	New	146
Alex R	New	108
Kymarr	Sleeping	30
Matchstickx	Sleeping	25

Removing new joiners/ sleepers leaves us:

jinhua		180
John		178

Both have come close but have failed to meet the clearly stated 'safe' zone of 200.

However.... Jinhua has been within the cave for sometime and has always met donation target he has also been absent the last few days, BEARing this in mind the guardian recommendation is to ascertain if there is a valid reason he has not met minimum donation requirement. No such mercy is recommended for John.... pass him a pillow.....

Another week of Awesome donations BEARS, 7 over the thousand mark and special mention for DP who hit over 2000 this week, dp we bow to your trigger finger!!!

[DP77]

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[Cavebears]

Hi folks.

If you want to tell your below 200 donars (but above 100) to move to Riverbears, Icebears or Skybears, they will be accepted.

For example John can move in with us if he wishes.