Level 8 walls before town hall 9 or not?

[Junliang]

Your perimeter of walls is only as strong as your weakest entry point, which requires a large upfront investment.

That really depends on base layout imo.

Just compare your base to say TNT's

Judging from your previous statement, you couldn't care about base layout or design whatsoever, thats why your base is one of the simpliest box design with some dividers here and there, not even a single spikes.

Whereas for TNT's, a single breaking into the second compartment will take 4 more wall breakers(assuming all walls level 8) as compared to your base.

Compartment wise, level 5 gobs on purple walls vs black wall really makes a difference.

I'm not trying to come off as harsh or offensive, but for a person to make statement like those in your previous post, I would hope his base layout to be atleast "decent". But yours is merely a box with some dividers.
(And yes, I have seen your base before. You are the leader of a farming clan after all )

peace out

[ActionMonkey]

Hmm, popcorn time?

I agree that base-design plays a big role in how hard a base is to attack though. Much bigger than one level of walls anyway.

I also agree that the levels of the defensive buildings plays a big role. Of course it does. The difference between raiding a base with maxed mortars, wiz towers and crossbows - but with low walls, and raiding a base with level 8 walls, but not maxed defense is huge. I would pick the base with level 8 walls any day. It's a LOT weaker.

Many times a simple pathing issue can ruin an attack, and you can achieve that pathing issue with low level walls.

So in effect I agree with everyone.

[Fakhouri]

thats why my th9 clan members advise me to upgrade my tesla together with my other buildings.

i.e, always have 1 builder for tesla.

so such won't occur haha

Trust me, upgrade your Teslas to max, non stop.... Feels bad at the beginning, but now, when all my Teslas are done( HEAR ME ILLUS, my Teslas aren't sticks any more remember?) I feel much better... Each tesla need 42 days. That's more like 126 days if you use 1 builder...

[Junliang]

Hmm, popcorn time?

I hope not, just found it weird for Illustris to be making such a statement..
in fact, it weird me out that a leader of a farming clan is having such a base :eek:

no offence :eek:

Many times a simple pathing issue can ruin an attack, and you can achieve that pathing issue with low level walls.

And a simple AI pathing defense can be destroyed by sending troops in waves

[Illustris]

I'm not trying to come off as harsh or offensive, but for a person to make statement like those in your previous post, I would hope his base layout to be atleast "decent". But yours is merely a box with some dividers.

Nope, no offense taken, but I think you were missing my point. Let me try this another way, as you are making my same point but let me spell it out here.

Let's say that instead of investing gold into black walls, I chose to invest it in higher level defensive buildings (wizard tower, mortar, tesla, etc). Hehe, this happens to be true. Note that my buildings are generally all maxed out.

Ok, let's say further that I use a simplistic box design and don't obsess about spikes etc etc. Let's say further I don't even bother with putting flowers, flags all around, to push out the attacking perimeter. This also happens to be true.

Now, this is where I think you are missing me. The above is true, and my defenses hold up franky very well, as a farmer. Now why is this? I wander from 1.4k-1.9k troph, and it is extremely, extremely rare that any one loots any gold from me. That's the missing link. Lol, do you think I get looted?

I find there to be a pervasive thought sometimes on these forums that one must have level 8, black skull walls. Which is incorrect. Yes, strong walls are helpful. But, like I said, the walls are only as strong as one's weakest entry point. Calculate the ROI from completely surrounding your core tank areas and compare it to the ROI from upgrading defensive buildings. That is what I find missing. This particular OP has maxed buildings, so less relevant.

Said another way, if I had level 10 walls instead of the level 7-9 that I do have, I do NOT expect any significant increases in my defenses. Again, this is for farmers staying sub 2k troph. I say this, because when I attack, I ignore wall strength and bust thru in the same fashion whether level 7, 8, or 9 (don't see many level 10s down here).

Let me try it yet another way: the reason why I ignore twiddling the village design, or upgrading walls, for months is... because I find it largely irrelevant sub 2k troph. If I needed to, I would have.

Illustris the Clarifying Box
Make sense now?

[Junliang]

Trust me, upgrade your Teslas to max, non stop.... Feels bad at the beginning, but now, when all my Teslas are done( HEAR ME ILLUS, my Teslas aren't sticks any more remember?) I feel much better... Each tesla need 42 days. That's more like 126 days if you use 1 builder...

Hmm yeah.

this is my builder's plan as of now.

Some builders will help out with tesla after they are done with splash and cannons/archers

[Junliang]

Let's say that instead of investing gold into black walls, I chose to invest it in higher level defensive buildings (wizard tower, mortar, tesla, etc). Hehe, this happens to be true. Note that my buildings are generally all maxed out.

Hmm.. you do not need to "choose" between "High level defensive buildings" and "walls"
You can do both at the same time.

I am at the 11th day of my TH8 Journey, and I already have my additional 25 walls pink/purple, and 12 black walls.
And the progress of my other important buildings like splash/storage/tesla are not affected, its still ongoing, just that when I have a builder free, I minus off the gold needed for the next building, and I spend the remaining on walls.

There is no trade off between walls and defensive buildings.

Ok, let's say further that I use a simplistic box design and don't obsess about spikes etc etc. Let's say further I don't even bother with putting flowers, flags all around, to push out the attacking perimeter. This also happens to be true.

Now, this is where I think you are missing me. The above is true, and my defenses hold up franky very well, as a farmer. Now why is this? I wander from 1.4k-1.9k troph, and it is extremely, extremely rare that any one loots any gold from me. That's the missing link. Lol, do you think I get looted?

I find there to be a pervasive thought sometimes on these forums that one must have level 8, black skull walls. Which is incorrect. Yes, strong walls are helpful. But, like I said, the walls are only as strong as one's weakest entry point. Calculate the ROI from completely surrounding your core tank areas and compare it to the ROI from upgrading defensive buildings. That is what I find missing. This particular OP has maxed buildings, so less relevant.

Said another way, if I had level 10 walls instead of the level 7-9 that I do have, I do NOT expect any significant increases in my defenses. Again, this is for farmers staying sub 2k troph. I say this, because when I attack, I ignore wall strength and bust thru in the same fashion whether level 7, 8, or 9 (don't see many level 10s down here).

Let me try it yet another way: the reason why I ignore twiddling the village design, or upgrading walls, for months is... because I find it largely irrelevant sub 2k troph. If I needed to, I would have.

Illustris the Clarifying Box
Make sense now?

Hm.. again, there isn't any trade off between "walls" and "high level defensive buildings"

Judging from your level 6 troops and maxed out defensive at th9, I assume you are a great farmer, which means you can easily farm gold to up those walls, at the same time, upgrading your defense.

And I understand the point that the only main difference is whether the attacker's wall breaker is level 4 or 5.

But, what if your base is anti-wall breaker ? like Hannibal's base ?

Brute force will be needed to tackle straight into those walls, in which a level 6/7 wall differs greatly from a level 8 walls.




Again, to re-emphasise my point, there is no trade off for having higher level walls

[TNT]

Walls updates 3 wizard tower at work to max lvl feel free to raid me, if you find me or on revenge list

That really depends on base layout imo.

Just compare your base to say TNT's

Judging from your previous statement, you couldn't care about base layout or design whatsoever, thats why your base is one of the simpliest box design with some dividers here and there, not even a single spikes.

Whereas for TNT's, a single breaking into the second compartment will take 4 more wall breakers(assuming all walls level 8) as compared to your base.

Compartment wise, level 5 gobs on purple walls vs black wall really makes a difference.

I'm not trying to come off as harsh or offensive, but for a person to make statement like those in your previous post, I would hope his base layout to be atleast "decent". But yours is merely a box with some dividers.
(And yes, I have seen your base before. You are the leader of a farming clan after all )

peace out

[Junliang]

Walls updates 3 wizard tower at work to max lvl feel free to raid me, if you find me or on revenge list

I don't want to hear your mini updates, I want to hear "225 walls all maxed out level 8"

If i ever see your base, i think i will just lure ur cc + AQ + BK out and kill and run
not even a shield yo !
Assuming I can lure your cc out :X

OT: Yipee, 7 more black walls for me tomorrow ! 12+7 = 19 black walls after 12 days of th8

[Fakhouri]

Hmm yeah.

this is my builder's plan as of now.

Some builders will help out with tesla after they are done with splash and cannons/archers

Pthis looks awesome! Me want!