should I max before going to th9?

[ClashWithStyle]

i always find that maxing everything really helps!

[BoardGuest808888]

@sharonsym:

I admire your patience to repeat over and over again, that maxing a th is not necessary.

BUT you always forget to mention one (the most important) thing:

This strategy ONLY works for active players. By active players I mean you can play at least 6 hours a day - EVERYDAY!
This strategy WON'T work for the average player that can only raid 2-3 hours a day, cause he has a job, family, private life.

Let me explain why: (with th 9 and x-bow lvl 2 as an example - this is the same at th 7 and th 10)

You can easily raid between 5-10 millions a day (more on weekday, less on weekends - always depending on the loot), which is way more than you can keep, so you put everything in walls - and most of the time you sit on about 600k - 1000k - right?! So you don't get raided cause it's not interesting.

Once a builder is about to finish one work, you economise for the next work (in this example x-bow lvl 2), which is easy cause 5 mil you can raid within about 5-6 hours. You start the upgrade which leaves you again with about 600k - 1000k. And this goes on and on...

The average player CAN NOT calculate like this.

He can raid between 1.5 mil - 3 mil (on a good day).

Same example, 2 scenarios

1. is a premmie/rushed player, 2nd is a maxed th 8:

1. The premmie/rushed th 9

He does like you, dumping all gold in walls, sits on 600k - 1000k the whole time, no attacks to worry about - fine.

One builder is about to finish one work so he wants to start the x-bow.
But when and how does he ecenomise these 5 mil?

He has to start 2-4 days before (remember average raid per day) and with weak th 8 defenses every mid/max th 9 and th 10 will visit him and think yummi (even a farm army bam, barch, bag can easily raid him, not to mention giants/hogs), so he will get rofflestomped over and over gain.
Everytime, he breaks the shield to farm the money back (unfortunately the pumps/mines are low level and they don't make enough income during a 12 hour shield - so he has to attack) he will be attacked the moment he's logging off.
So these 2-4 days are becoming 3-5 days. The next builder is already free now, but you don't have enough money to upgrade anything. So the player will be frustrated, either he accepts that and continues, he pays some real money or in worst case he quits.

2. the maxed th 8 - new th 9

He's sitting on about 2 - 3 mil all the time (being ready for the next upgrade - more once the new defenses are on a higher level), getting attacked from time to time, but these maxed th 8 defenses already have another effect on the enemy. He will need a full army, not only an easy barch/bam/bag army and he can limit the damage to giants ( hogs is still (almost) undefendable. So he will be attacked as well, but not as often. He can raid the money he needs in about 1-2 days, when he has a 12 hour shield the maxed pumps/mines are simply doing their job, which makes another 250k-300k. Once he has started the upgrade, he goes on farming for the next upgrade.

What do you think, who of the average players will enjoy the game more?

So sharonsym, PLEASE start to mention the time and effort your strategy requires.

For one, I also a very casual player who has work and enough real life responsibility not to play this game more than a couple hours each session and farm like 1-3 m per day, but what you worried about not enough loot or being raided all too often didn't happen to me. You worry too much about things which weren't there.

Also, didn't that guy, sharonsym, already made several threads detailing what he has done, what's his method, his building regime, etc within several threads ?

Another, loot was always felt decreased after TH upgrade, not necessarily because the lack of, but rather because the player need to adjust his/her own disposition towards higher level TH.

You seems to misunderstood that he advocated upgrading to TH 9 as an instant way to wealth. Well, that's not the case. At minimal, you still need at least 44 days to get all that lvl 6 stuff. Thing is, once you get it, condition will be far better for you.

[BoardGuest808888]

I don't know if you're referring to my screenshot but that was around 1700, which is more or less the consensus best range for th9 gold farming. Also, I said there are probably more th7s than one would think, not that there are "tons." Though perhaps you were referring to something else altogether.

Naah, there's no such thing as "best range for specific TH lvl farming". You'll have to find it yourself and it vary within days and seasons. Sticking yourself to a specific range wasn't the best way to gain loot, let alone to defend it altogether.

There are gazillions of TH 9 out there, even I once get raided (which failed miserably) by a TH 9 half my level. And it's in the same league with me. What you want is following where the loot go, not ramming your lvl 5 giants headfirst towards the first lvl 9 walls you find, even if it has the same TH level as you.

You should adjust your way of thinking, not necessarily that of the maxed TH 9 (if your troops weren't already), but towards the most profitable for you.

Adapt yourself, if you find TH 7 you don't want to find, then you need to remove yourself from that range. It's not about any specific range. I'll say there are more TH 7 in crystal at certain time than TH 8 in gold at another time or even premmie TH 10 in silver at yet another time. And this held true for any TH, premmie or not, for otherwise, you'll find yourself nexting a couple hundred times and began complaining how loot sucks, etc.

I farmed my x-bows in gold 3 within a week (plus other upgrades), but farmed their upgrade in silver 2 within 3 days.

[daboy]

Naah, there's no such thing as "best range for specific TH lvl farming". You'll have to find it yourself and it vary within days and seasons. Sticking yourself to a specific range wasn't the best way to gain loot, let alone to defend it altogether.

There are gazillions of TH 9 out there, even I once get raided (which failed miserably) by a TH 9 half my level. And it's in the same league with me. What you want is following where the loot go, not ramming your lvl 5 giants headfirst towards the first lvl 9 walls you find, even if it has the same TH level as you.

You should adjust your way of thinking, not necessarily that of the maxed TH 9 (if your troops weren't already), but towards the most profitable for you.

Adapt yourself, if you find TH 7 you don't want to find, then you need to remove yourself from that range. It's not about any specific range. I'll say there are more TH 7 in crystal at certain time than TH 8 in gold at another time or even premmie TH 10 in silver at yet another time. And this held true for any TH, premmie or not, for otherwise, you'll find yourself nexting a couple hundred times and began complaining how loot sucks, etc.

I farmed my x-bows in gold 3 within a week (plus other upgrades), but farmed their upgrade in silver 2 within 3 days.

Don't know how you can type so much without saying anything. Paraphrased, "th7s are everywhere, so adjust to where they aren't." lulz. As long as they're around, even if minimally, you will get 50% of what you would at th8. That is less.

[BoardGuest808888]

That only happen in case you upgrading the TH while neglecting to upgrade your disposition. Otherwise, it won't be a problem. Every TH levels are everywhere. If you search them, you'll find. If you don't search, obviously, they're hidden from you.

[Monstercoolz0]

Definitely you should max out.

[Ulitimatesplash]

I'm against everyone here....

no need to max everything, its waste of time you can get get better fun and loot at TH9
because you have:
- AQ
- extra spells
- extra 20 army space
- strong Lv.6 Giants / Lv.6 Balloon

your defense will be better too, as th8 we get smacked everytime by those above troops....
as TH9 you will got 4th storage, people will have to almost 3 stars to get all your loot... and It will be not easy with farming troops because you will got extra 2 walls, 2 xbows, 1 WT, 1 AD, 1 AT.

Those are far more better stuff than maxing th8...

but if you goes up too early, you will ruinded it...
if you goes up too late, you will waste more
you need to max your farming army before you goes up,

The great sharonsym has spoken. I still believe what he says is right. Maxing takes way too long. I don't want to stay at th8 forever with crappy troops when i could just go to th9 and get something better. Im only staying now to upgrade teslas and ad then im pushing up.

[Gumball8223]

Don't try it. It'll take too long. Max your ad, teslas, and splash and at least 35% walls. Cannons and archer towers are your decision but make sure every single building is at least one level from max.

[winders]

Max out everything, including skull walls. Makes the transition into th9 so much easier if you have all skull walls. Hope this helps.

Listen to Matt......

[sharonsym]

@sharonsym:

I admire your patience to repeat over and over again, that maxing a th is not necessary.

BUT you always forget to mention one (the most important) thing:

This strategy ONLY works for active players. By active players I mean you can play at least 6 hours a day - EVERYDAY!
This strategy WON'T work for the average player that can only raid 2-3 hours a day, cause he has a job, family, private life.

If you think I play 6 hours a day you're completely wrong.... I have 2 kids, we don't have any babysitter and I have jobs to do, in my busy days I can't even raid 2-3 hours a day...

it works....

Let me explain why: (with th 9 and x-bow lvl 2 as an example - this is the same at th 7 and th 10)

You can easily raid between 5-10 millions a day (more on weekday, less on weekends - always depending on the loot), which is way more than you can keep, so you put everything in walls - and most of the time you sit on about 600k - 1000k - right?! So you don't get raided cause it's not interesting.

Once a builder is about to finish one work, you economise for the next work (in this example x-bow lvl 2), which is easy cause 5 mil you can raid within about 5-6 hours. You start the upgrade which leaves you again with about 600k - 1000k. And this goes on and on...

again, this isn't true... last time I saved for my wizard towers... It takes me 2 days to save.

I'm not sitting on 600k-1000k
please check this out I'm offering 350k/350k loot for attacker

this is when I'm saving for my WT and CC
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post1546199
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post1579583

The average player CAN NOT calculate like this.

He can raid between 1.5 mil - 3 mil (on a good day).

Same example, 2 scenarios

1. is a premmie/rushed player, 2nd is a maxed th 8:

1. The premmie/rushed th 9

He does like you, dumping all gold in walls, sits on 600k - 1000k the whole time, no attacks to worry about - fine.

One builder is about to finish one work so he wants to start the x-bow.
But when and how does he ecenomise these 5 mil?

He has to start 2-4 days before (remember average raid per day) and with weak th 8 defenses every mid/max th 9 and th 10 will visit him and think yummi (even a farm army bam, barch, bag can easily raid him, not to mention giants/hogs), so he will get rofflestomped over and over gain.
Everytime, he breaks the shield to farm the money back (unfortunately the pumps/mines are low level and they don't make enough income during a 12 hour shield - so he has to attack) he will be attacked the moment he's logging off.
So these 2-4 days are becoming 3-5 days. The next builder is already free now, but you don't have enough money to upgrade anything. So the player will be frustrated, either he accepts that and continues, he pays some real money or in worst case he quits.

this is actually what will happen when you maxed your base... your cheapest upgrade will be > 3 million
while a premie still have canon lv.6 that cost 400K to upgrade.

is xbows is the only things to upgrade? this is the most common mistakes...
why don't upgrade your cannon? or lv.1 tesla?

2. the maxed th 8 - new th 9

He's sitting on about 2 - 3 mil all the time (being ready for the next upgrade - more once the new defenses are on a higher level), getting attacked from time to time, but these maxed th 8 defenses already have another effect on the enemy. He will need a full army, not only an easy barch/bam/bag army and he can limit the damage to giants ( hogs is still (almost) undefendable. So he will be attacked as well, but not as often. He can raid the money he needs in about 1-2 days, when he has a 12 hour shield the maxed pumps/mines are simply doing their job, which makes another 250k-300k. Once he has started the upgrade, he goes on farming for the next upgrade.

What do you think, who of the average players will enjoy the game more?

So sharonsym, PLEASE start to mention the time and effort your strategy requires.

You don't have chance to defend against hogs, balloon, even those Giants on TH8...
Well, it's because you're TH8... a premie TH9 can do it because we have 4wt, 4ad, 2xbows
check this out dude, hogs easily roasted
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post1563886

If you think premie TH9 have weaker def, you're wrong...
TH9 have best def againts farming troops... BARCH wiped away by 4x WT, Giants have to meet 6 AT, 4 Teslas, 2 Xbows. Balloon meet 4x WT, 4xAD, 4xTesla, Hogs roasted with 4 x giant bombs

there is so much TH9 defense can do, and It's much better than maxed TH8. Check out my battle logs...

and if you think again TH8 loot is better, again... there is farming competition in General section of this forum... just see there whether TH9 or TH8 get more loot...

I also remember one of the forum members, who followed your strategy and was not aware of that.
So he was lost, frustrated - and created the thread "sharonism I need help". You remember?
I'm quite sure he/she is not alone.

Don't get me wrong, I understand and like your strategy, if you have enough time.
I was in the same situation when my mini-account was th 6 (and I had holidays - I could clash about 10 hours a day), always too much gold, so I rushed to th 7. But once holidays were over, I had some serious problems with my low th 6 defenses against these lvl 5 th 8 armies. I recovered, maxed everything on th 7.
But the early th 8 days are still very hard, th 8 AND now 9 is attacking you over and over again. I won't imagine what this would have been without maxed th 7 defenses.

you know... he's doing fine...
you can visit his clan : kat power
ign is miracle, you should see how fast this guy farm his skull walls

you max everything, that's why you have hard times dude...
Most of my clan mate advance TH8 early, I did it too... we don't have problems,

Like you said, I've stated this many and repeat this all over:
This is social game, people pick who they raid... not the AI...
when your base looks tough, only the strongest will come and attack you
that's why you have hard times even you have maxed your TH7.
While as premie everyone will attack us, that's why we're okay and win sometimes