Max Everything before upgrading TH ? Come on guys... think again!

[BoardGuest808888]

But a lot of players can't dedicate 3+ hours of their day to raiding. And upgrading their THs before establishing a good defense will get them picked on and the constant 2-3 star loses will be quite upsetting and demoralizing. That's not fun.

I strongly agree with people saying that enjoying all aspects of the game and the entire journey is the most enjoyable part. By rushing your TH, you're robbing yourself of watching replays of people failing at trying to steal your resources. Watching those replays are hilarious!

Your method of maxing offense then upgrading TH is efficient for raiding resources and by keeping your gold levels low, I understand ppl won't want to bother raiding you. But again, you're robbing yourself of the defensive enjoyment of this game. Like others have said, once you go forward in TH, you can't go back.

There are two things you might want to consider;

1. The game is build with strong emphasize on offense. Decent players of equal TH level should be able to happily raid each other. You can not depend on your defense all the time. Even a maxed TH get 2-3 starred.

Relying on your defense alone is like relying on the most unreliable thing. And the more resources you hold, the more you'll attract others with higher quality troops to raid you. Eventually you'll get raided by someone who's strong enough anyway. People failing a raid in most case is of their own carelessness, not because of the defensive advantage of their target.

2. This game does not rewards defense. There are several thread which address this already.

You get a failed raid that only get one or two of your storage. So, what's that mean ? You get nothing other than you become weaker for the next attacker. Your castle troops are gone. Your barbarian king gone. Traps gone... So you'll get raided again. Even if you still manage a defensive win, each subsequent raid will become more and more punishing to your resources.

See to it as, which one is better for a premmie TH to be 3-starred, get 16 hrs shield and be done with it. Or... A maxed TH to be raided 37% three times, has the de storage zapped twice and eventually 2-starred after all the traps and cc troops were gone ?

[BoardGuest808888]

seems like my edit is a bit late..

The reasoning on non active people 'rushing' TH can goes both ways
When people isn't active, they will have a harder time to recover the loses when being raided and thus will have a hard time to upgrade to their next offence level (and every upgrade in general). So, maxing your base might also be a better option because your base will be stronger and might be able to prevent some possible loses. There's also no guarantee that you can get enough loot to upgrade your offence at higher TH level simply because you're too busy from playing (1~3 raid per play will be bad because other people will easily take your profit and leave you on loss. this depend on luck which base/how much loot that you find though...)

Another argument is about non active people probably don't have as much skills as active farmers. Simply because they have less playtime and experience compared to active farmers (2nd account doesn't count). So they will have an even harder time to raid because loot penalty on lower TH level. When your skills isn't that good yet, you will want to wait from upgrading your TH and polish your skills first (especially new player that still doesn't know how most troops go).

The game rewards certain degree of activity. Less activity means you'll had a hard time recovering your lost from a raid, premmie or not. You can not progress simply by doing nothing or raid the least challenging target all the time.

On the other other hand, higher troops level give you chance to find more suitable loot more often. By which you can recover from a raid.

[ClashOfClansGamer]

Their choices!

But I wolud recommend to stay and max because it will help them in the future.

[sharonsym]

See to it as, which one is better for a premmie TH to be 3-starred, get 16 hrs shield and be done with it. Or... A maxed TH to be raided 37% three times, has the de storage zapped twice and eventually 2-starred after all the traps and cc troops were gone ?

lol... this is true... this happen on end of my TH7, I get countless of strong raids that really kicks me... I'm just hoping the first attack will give me shield, And I will shield as long as I can before getting destroyed again by them.

but everything changed when I'm premie TH8. I'm not attractive anymore for them, I get shield from TH snipper and it's safe to break the shield to raid again

[yossithegreat]

Hey yossi, this does make sense for the most part, but I'm struggling with a couple things.........

1) I feel as though I'm a hybrid of the two player archetypes you've depicted. I enjoy the offense aspect of CoC slightly more, but defense is still a ton of fun for me. I'd say I'm 60/40 split on dedication to offense/defense.

2) When you say the hardcores need the carebears to farm easily, wouldn't it be harder to farm from carebears if carebears are the ones maxing their defenses?

Great input btw, I feel this is good discussion to get players thinking for themselves instead of listening to cookie-cutter advice, regardless of which end of the spectrum.

Great points.

Re#1 that's cool, hope you are having fun.

Re#2 what the carebears don't realize is that all a hardcore has to do is be 1 town hall level above a carebear, level up a couple troops, and then can steam roll that maxed out carebear.

[madjsp]

When I was TH8, I was all about making sure I tried to max my base until I jumped to TH9. I only had DE troops to research, and the only thing I had to upgrade was my DE storage to max TH8, and my Teslas needed a couple of levels. I jumped to TH9 and I didn't look back. Now, I'm contemplating jumping to TH10 for the disco balls, and the third xbow. Yes, I will still be a slight preemie (all of my defenses are TH8 max or TH9 max), but having the inferno tower would allow me to maintain a higher league presence.

That being said, I believe upgrading TH is situational. For my situation, TH10 seems like a decent strategy. For others, it might not be. There are a lot of constructive arguments in this thread, but despite what anyone says, I think it should be based on the situation. What are your goals. Where are you now?

I do, however, agree with the statement of "going from TH3 to TH9 overnight is dumb."

[Nimlach]

The main danger in upgrading your TH too fast is that you can get trapped being unable to raid effectively, so you can't save up enough resources to buy the upgrades you need to start raiding effectively.

Suppose you're itching to go to the next town hall level. What are the minimum upgrades you need so that you're not trapped in the "circle of helplessness"?

My thought is you need at least two troop types maxed, and army camps within 1 level of max, at absolute minimum. You might have a rough time at first if you've ignored everything else, but this would keep you from getting trapped.

It seems like as long as you don't let yourself get trapped, it's up to you how you upgrade.

[sharonsym]

Re#2 what the carebears don't realize is that all a hardcore has to do is be 1 town hall level above a carebear, level up a couple troops, and then can steam roll that maxed out carebear.

+1

TH9 really rocks... it's just 5 days for lab, another 10 days for Giants/Balloon...

in a little over two weeks you're ready to roll all TH8 there...
those time is more than enough to max SF, army camps, and couple level of AQ... even the maxed one have no chance to defend againts them

it's much better than waiting for another 3 months, maxing all the unused troops.

[Eugenius]

here is whats needed to move on from th8 to th9 at least:

maxed splash defense (wiz towers, mortars)
maxed offensive farming troops that you are going to use (barbs, giants, archers, wbers)
walls to at least one level below your th.

Going ahead too premie is still a bad idea imo. this is for those going from th8 to th9.

I strongly believe that going on to th10 before maxing heros is a bad idea.. you gain very little offensive increase and lose the ability to farm th8s.

That is unless you are trophy pushing. But elsewise th9 is where you should be staying to farm walls and heros to max. IMO it is sweetspot for farming since december loot update. Previously th7 and th8 were the best farming ths due to loot bonus. But now that is nerfed and the increased offensive strength from AQ and increased loot availabe at upper th9, makes th9 the most efficient farming th.

The loot update essentially moved the best loot from all lower trophy range collector looting and dispersed it to higher level storage raids. This was to not discourage players from moving up in th and give upper players more loot to steal from each other.

[KimJaeJoong]

I know your thread is not advice people rushing TH. But you think max everything b4 upgrade TH might not worth for it then it wrong. I was TH7 like a week ago. I was max everything in TH7. Now I am TH8 with 175 Lvl 7 walls. It really really help out. Without lvl 7 walls. It would be a pain because many TH8 people attack real heavy troops quite often and you need stronger walls to stop them.