Moving up in trophies isn't much of a solution either. Zapping can be used by anyone at any time, so there's never a guarentee you can defend your DE. Of course it's impossible to always successfully defend it, but with zapping I don't even get a chance to defend what I've earned. Obviously you'll encounter less zapping in champions than in gold, but who wants to constantly be trophy pushing? Many people enjoy farming over pushing so this proposed solution to zapping isn't the best.
@Arrow1993, Fros and CashClash22:
About this claim of "leeching on lower THs in gold leagues or crystal 3" - how high would you say one would have to go to avoid zapping, and to not be considered "leeching on lower THs"? Because I've been zapped quite extensively throughout all crystal leagues, and mind you, it's not just TH7s or TH8s - also TH9s and 10s, which is even more sad.
So pretty please, stick away that argument because although it might once have held true, it no longer does - now, it is just annoying. And it's definetly not just revenge zaps I'm talking about, either.
As far as I can tell no one is saying that zapping isn't part of the game, I think everyone here is aware of it - and although you think it still should remain part of the game, everyone else does not.
Over the past few days I've moved up to crystal and the DE loot is very good there. I'm mostly going for DE drills but if you have an exposed TH and surround it with hidden teslas I will use all my spells on your storage.
why would that be unfair as long as you can do it yourself.... as it's been said before.
if you get zapped for 2k DE than just zap someone (whoever) to get it back ... unless you don't want to spend 2 hours waiting for the spells to be ready, it's a matter of choice. I also prefer raiding but i don't blame zappers
if a zapper is willing to wait 2 hours i think he deserves 2k DE.
the 1gem boost on the other hand makes it a little to easy indeed
I do understand your point of view. I am, ofcourse, speaking based on my very own experiences. I was in gold with abut 110k DE right before the minion update came. I ended up having to work my way back to 100k from 97k DE as I got zapped. It does get frustrating. I cannot guarantee people won't zap DE storages at higher cup ranges, but the number of times decreases a lot as you go up. I would consider 2200+ cups gets you into a relatively safe zone. This allows you to get the advantages of the both situations I described in my first post on this thread.Originally Posted by Rastis
I do however, find one part of your argument that disturbs me a bit. I laid out my arguments and tried to explain it the best I could. Implying that giving a different opinion on a thread is "not done" bugs me a bit. I can tell you one thing: discussing and debating allows us to come to better ideas, it allows us to be critical on others and ourselves. On a final note, I had Fros and CashClash agreeing with me, which shows me it isn't "everyone else" that agrees with the anti-zap arguments.
I understand my argument has its flaws, nevertheless it has to be clear that supercell is trying to move everyone to their actual trophy level. This has been attempted with increased loot bonuses and the big loot change. This fits in perfectly with their plans (TH10 vs TH10, TH9 vs TH9, …), hence this will not change. Some of the "actions" might not look good and might be against the ethics of the game, it is all for the greater goal: making the same townhall levels face another.
For the record: I never zapped in my life.
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So they don't want to train a giant 100k elixir army when they could just take your DE using a legitimate strategy that hinders them in other ways?
I haven't zapped since TH7, but I will still defend its legitimacy.
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I'm not saying it's right. I don't do it.
I'm saying it shouldn't be negated in some way, because it's imo legitimate.
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"Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire."
-William Butler Yeats.
"Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by fighting back."
-Piet Hein.
I see zapping as a nuclear option. U as a higher th should always think. If i steam roll this guy. He may zap me. Thus, u may not pick on a lower th.
Also if i zap a higher th, you are within your rights to roll me with no end. That is if you have the skill.
Now i will give you a diffrent option. A false de container that looks just like your reAl one. It just has no holding power. A zapper cant just zapp one. He wont know which one is real untill a certaint amout of damage is done to the real container. But if you attack first, the guy can lurk over your base and see which is fake.
Problem solved
The pro is you have a lower chance of zapped de
The con is now you have two de storages to fit in your base and a revenger can still see which one is real and your drills can be still hit
I would want to agree about that cup range being relatively safe, but it appears that it's not the case. In my experience, zappers have been moving further up, following as TH9s and TH10s run scared trying to protect their DE
I'm not sure about what you mean by the other quoted part - I'm not telling you that a different opinion isn't allowed to be voiced, but what I'm trying to say is that "people who get zapped exploit/leech lower THs in lowbie leagues" is not a valid argument anymore, because there are zappers all over crystal nowadays. I'm all for debating and discussing, but I don't like when people don't stick to facts, or rather stick to outdated facts that are not true (anymore).
Neither did I say that "everyone else" has some other opinion, if you got that picture, I apologize for not being clear in my text earlier.
Not exactly, when you say
>zapping can be used by anyone at any time
Not much people, including me, will zap someones DE storage unless I have 4 light spells queued and ready, which takes about an hour and a half.
Furthermore, based on that, I am giving my own time and elixir to zap. That is MY choice, and it IS very well deserved in this matter.
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