Been playing 5 days and something disturbs me greatly

[VincentVegas]

Exactly, the game won't last very long because you can bypass everything simply by paying cash. They don't have any respect for their playerbase because they are trying to milk it for all its worth even if it means having a illegitimate game and sucking it dry and fast.

Its lasted 18 months so far and is the highest grossing app, id say that quite long for a 'íllegitimate gain and sucking it dry fast'.

[Jivuqox]

Btw if you wanna reach champs in 1 week, learn from code red.

Don't buy builders, but gem th10 and max troops and max heroes.

Gem to the top! Hardly any defenses win up top anyway.

[Solarous]

Are you seriously claiming this game is a scam? I didnt realise supercell was holding a gun to our heads forcing us to buy gems, Buying gems is a personal choice and at no point in the game does supercell give you no choice but to spend cash, People like you make me laugh, You play for 5 days and then claim to know everything.

Fun fact, YOU CAN PLAY THE ENTIRE GAME WITHOUT SPENDING A SINGLE DIME FROM YOUR MOTHERS CREDIT CARD. And if you honestly can't resist the urge to buy gems then that is just a sign of your weak will. So please scamper off and tell your "lawer buddy" about this outrageous "ponzi scheme" It would give supercell a good laugh i'd imagine.

[superclash99]

I'm someone who in the past has played games like starcraft/AOE/LoL/WoW/runescape, you name it I played it. Not only did I play them but I was always top 5% except in runescape of course because that game didn't have any competitive aspects. Now some of my cousins introduced me to clash of clans a few days ago and I was blown away at how fun and satisfying it is. I thought to myself "this is what age of empires online wanted to be except this is way more accessible. I bought a few builders homes because it was pretty obvious this was the only real investment i could justify making without ruining my gameplay experience. I got excited when after an hour i could build archers, then after a day I could train wizards. I constantly fought to get gold to upgrade my walls to all dark iron or w\e and one little gold wall in front of my wizard tower. So naturally I went to look up youtube videos of CoC gameplay to see if there were any viable strategies where people just mass trained wizard. This is where i saw something very dark and almost disgusting.

I watched a video where a guy spent hundreds of dollars in a matter of minutes training troops and making spells. Upgrading everything in a matter of an hour while spending thousands. On the forums top players posting that you either pay or you won't be competitive. At first i thought "surely there must be a daily limit you can spend on this game", then when i found out that there was no limit I began to realize the game was one giant scheme for the people who buy gems constantly. When you buy gems to upgrade something there is always something else to spend cash on. Their is no end to it. I felt sick looking at what i was watching. Not because I was "jealous", but because i had never seen people throw away the chance to upgrade over time with buddies and try getting the top 5 spots or so in your clan just for fun. It was something much darker i was witnessing. I checked the timeline for CoC and i realized its relatively new so I think the company has a chance to fix this issue by putting a harsh cap on the amount of cash people can spend on the game per month.This will increase the longevity of the game, attract people looking for a legit AOE style moba without scaring them away, and help a lot of people who have put on different forums that the game ruined their lives because they spent so much cash only to realize that there was no end to it. Sure i could spend 200-300 dollars a week buying gems, but what am I gaining except skipping out on the satisfaction you get from leveling stuff up like in most games.

If the company doesn't change its policy soon I'm almost tempted to ask a few friends of mine or my step mother whom are lawyers to see if their is anyway to clarify this game as being a ponzi scheme that is accessible by children. Just because the game tells these poor souls over spending that "pay money and you can skip the most satisfying part of the game only to realize that you will never stop paying because we have you addicted", when it's also "pay money to get to a point that you think is the finish line, only to realize you can only stay there if you keep giving us your money, but instead of 500 gems its now 2000 gems, and now its 5000 gems". This is the very definition of a ponzi scheme.
I know it seems silly to write this after 5 days but when i play a game i like to watch youtube vids/read the forums/the reddit. The rate at which i was always to find out how dark this game was for a lot of people and very quickly.

Edit: The reason I say this is a ponzi scheme is because their is always a higher prices to be payed around the corner. They get you to spend 600 gems so your town hall can upgrade, then the next time its 900, the next time its 1500 ect ect. Except apply this to everything in the game. It's the idea of "just one more investment and you can get to the next level only to realize there is a level beyond and then you realize you wasted all your money because their is no end and your paycheck is gone. This is what ponzi schemers do to their victims. They take their money and say we will double it, then they double it and ask for more, eventually they run off with your money and call it a day.

Edit#2: I know I can enjoy the game without paying (This is the same rhetoric you hear from a lot of pay to win games). Im simply stating some worries I have about the games ethical values. When you have the option to push a button that will drink your bank account while furthering your account with no effort and the price gets higher and higher every time you do....it just seems very wrong (for those people who can't control themselves, for the kids who steal their parents credit cards, for the gambling addicts, for the regular kid who saved up for a bit and figured he could spare a few only to empty his saving in a few weeks). I'm not these people but this just seems unethical.

Wait, until you find out about the Time Lag...

[CashClash22]

I think that they merely designed a game to rake in the money. They just did it better than most games. Not a ponzi scheme, just a well designed game with addictive potential.

[Mendax]

I watched a video where a guy spent hundreds of dollars in a matter of minutes training troops and making spells. Upgrading everything in a matter of an hour while spending thousands. On the forums top players posting that you either pay or you won't be competitive. At first i thought "surely there must be a daily limit you can spend on this game

Why would you think this? What other products limit how much you can spend on them?

then when i found out that there was no limit I began to realize the game was one giant scheme for the people who buy gems constantly. When you buy gems to upgrade something there is always something else to spend cash on. Their is no end to it.

This is true. This is also not illegal or immoral...

If the company doesn't change its policy soon I'm almost tempted to ask a few friends of mine or my step mother whom are lawyers to see if their is anyway to clarify this game as being a ponzi scheme that is accessible by children. Just because the game tells these poor souls over spending that "pay money and you can skip the most satisfying part of the game only to realize that you will never stop paying because we have you addicted", when it's also "pay money to get to a point that you think is the finish line, only to realize you can only stay there if you keep giving us your money, but instead of 500 gems its now 2000 gems, and now its 5000 gems". This is the very definition of a ponzi scheme.

No, for the game to be a Ponzi scheme the money people spend would have to be considered an investment, not a purchase.

Edit: The reason I say this is a ponzi scheme is because their is always a higher prices to be payed around the corner. They get you to spend 600 gems so your town hall can upgrade, then the next time its 900, the next time its 1500 ect ect. Except apply this to everything in the game. It's the idea of "just one more investment and you can get to the next level only to realize there is a level beyond and then you realize you wasted all your money because their is no end and your paycheck is gone. This is what ponzi schemers do to their victims. They take their money and say we will double it, then they double it and ask for more, eventually they run off with your money and call it a day.

There is finite end, the level 11 town hall. But let's say there isn't. It's still not a Ponzi scheme because they are not offering you an investment. They aren't claiming that they will double your money. They offer you gems, they make it very clear what you can use those gems on, and they stand by that. The only way I could see your argument having any merit is that since they don't make the logarithmic scale for gems vs time and the rate at which build times and cost available (in-game, it's online, of course) you can't by certain exactly what your purchace will earn you. But it would be very hard to plausibly argue that the purchaser doesn't realize that build time and resource cost go up as you progress. Even then, it's not as if gem value degrades.

Edit#2: I know I can enjoy the game without paying (This is the same rhetoric you hear from a lot of pay to win games). Im simply stating some worries I have about the games ethical values. When you have the option to push a button that will drink your bank account while furthering your account with no effort and the price gets higher and higher every time you do....it just seems very wrong (for those people who can't control themselves, for the kids who steal their parents credit cards, for the gambling addicts, for the regular kid who saved up for a bit and figured he could spare a few only to empty his saving in a few weeks). I'm not these people but this just seems unethical.

Making an enjoyable product and charging for its use is not unethical. Coke isn't limiting how much of it you can drink in a day, and that actually has negative physical effects.

[Rastis]

Edit#2: I know I can enjoy the game without paying (This is the same rhetoric you hear from a lot of pay to win games). Im simply stating some worries I have about the games ethical values. When you have the option to push a button that will drink your bank account while furthering your account with no effort and the price gets higher and higher every time you do....it just seems very wrong (for those people who can't control themselves, for the kids who steal their parents credit cards, for the gambling addicts, for the regular kid who saved up for a bit and figured he could spare a few only to empty his saving in a few weeks). I'm not these people but this just seems unethical.

When one starts foolproofing things in order to cater to all the extremes (gambling addicts, kids stealing their parents' credit cards and so on) I in most cases consider it taking it a step too far. What's unethical is to push personal responsibility over onto another party, and furthermore trying to claim that what that party (in this case a business company) is doing is unethical, just because the actions of a few or some people invoke a certain kind of response in other people.

When one tries to make everything foolproof and shift away personal responsibility, things start breaking down. I could draw up many IRL comparisons here, but that would probably offend people on many different levels, so I'll just refrain from doing so. But from the way you talk about ethics (or lack thereof) and how SC essentially exploits people, it does sound like you've watched too many lawyer series and shows on TV.

[thisismine]

Wait, until you find out about the Time Lag...

ahahahah this made my day!

[wip3ed]

The f2p/p2w -genre on tablets and phones will reach the peak when someone from the open-source comunity decides to make something better completly free, payed up front or by donations. Untill that happens this is the game I will be playing. That is simply because Its social and fun to play once you understand how to avoid the gemtrap called TH-upgrading, know that patience is the key and that you will never reach the top.

[Jcman]

The gems don't bother me... The taking out inactive bases and low collector loot does though... It is just a bad design, we should be able to raid active people and get a benefit while farming. As much fun as hitting collectors is not, it is the product of a not well designed economy.