Help. Premature TH9. :(

[rockmamba]

Hi,


I just saw this forum yesterday. I soon found out that I was in big trouble.


A long time ago, I wanted to upgrade some of my troops for aesthetics purposes. I rushed in to TH9 to max my Barb, Archers, Giants, Gobs, WB, and Healer. Now they are all maxed out and I've been using this attack strategy for the longest time. I totally forgot to upgrade my other units. Now, I heard that BAM,Balloonions, or Mass Hogs are better attack strategies. I can't pass 2000+ trophies with this set up. Please help.


My units level are the ff.
Balloons (currently upgrading to level 4)
Gobs (max)
Wiz (level 3)
Dragon (max for th9)
Hog (level 2)
Minions (level 1)
others at level 1




BK level 5
AQ level 3




My questions are:
1. What unit should I level up first?
2. Is BAM a good strategy to farm and to reach Masters? If yes, can a level 1 Minion do the job?
3. What other attack strategies should I also try aside from the others mentioned above?
4. I attached pics of my base and upgrades. What should I prioritize moving forward?




TIA!

[Rastis]

Hi!

When people talk about premature THs, it's usually a combination of both low level defenses and units - how is your base doing?

The pics you claim to have attached aren't visible to me now at least. Also, if your defenses are not in decent shape I don't see why you would want to push trophies. BArch can be used to reach champ (TH10s), so you can go a fairish way into crystal at least as TH9, but I did use balloons+minions (maxed for TH9) to reach masters myself.

You need to post some pics for more advice, but if you've upgraded prematurely and have low level defenses etc I would recommend that you spend some time farming (BAM is great, but work a bit on the minion level) and upgrading your base before anything else. So for troops I would recommend maxing minions, balloons and wizards (great combined with giant+healer, and for donations), then whatever you like.

edit: OK, you're not in too bad of a position.

You should prioritize upgrading your WTs, Teslas, then a your last mortar. Then work on ADs, point defenses and wall (walls are personal preference, but I'd recommend level 8 walls at least - but I like the wall grind).
There's this old sticky thread: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ture-Town-Hall
but if you're a premmie, it's not by much. You look quite alright, but focus on farming for a bit, either with BAG, BArch or BAM (upgrading your minions as you go), if you feel you can wait for the champ gems. I think you will have a hard time getting the last 100 or so cups without maxed balloons and minions - if you decide to push for M3, get max level balloons and minions 3+, and stay online for long stretches of time to maximize cup gain and minimize the risk of getting attacked.

[hawdog]

If you are premature, I think your priority should be to upgrade your defense rather than try to increase your trophies.

I think you should stay in a comfortable range that allows you to steal a lot of resources so that you can upgrade your premature defenses and offenses before you try to push your trophies too high.

I'll explain why. If you increase your trophies to Crystal and beyond, you will inevitably encounter tougher bases and tougher attackers. Your premature base will just get smashed for 2-3 stars every time you log off. Why not increase the attacking and defending strength first before subjecting yourself to that?

So my answer would be to upgrade your defense and offense first, for defense, your splash (wiz tower and mortar), on offense, you've already maxed tier 1 troops, next would be to upgrade giants and minions for effective cheap/quick armies to maximize your resource-stealing efficiency.

After that, probably upgrade hogs and balloons for a stronger army composition against tougher bases.


EDIT: I see your pictures now, your base defense is not bad at all, I was expecting much worse when you said "premature". So it's your offense you really need to work on. You chose a good base to copy as well, Ringus will help you keep your resources.

[StanHC]

Technically, it's not premature, just not maxed th8 at the th9. With maxed barb, arch, gob it is not even a problem. Just farm and try to farm more.

Upgrading ballons to try the loonion strategy would be the best idea. You may find it difficult in crystal with underdeveloped defense. In that case, stay in gold with barg for a while.

Hogs will require lots of DE to upgrade. So, probably, upgrade minions after balloons to have the ballons+minions option available.

[rockmamba]

Thank you for the replies, Rastis, StanHC, and hawdog. Much appreciated.


I can't attach any pucs yet, I don't know why.

I usually get 200-300k of total loots (gold + elixir) per raid. I use 1 Healer, 12 Giants, 6 WB, then mix of BAG. Sometimes I splash in 3 Wizards and 10 Hogs. Depending on the time. I don't get much when I use BAM. I'll try to use other combos later.


May I ask, what trophy range should I been?



also on my defense, for the last 3 defenses, I got walloped by mass hogs twice, and healer+wiz+giants+drag combos. They stole an average of 350k.

[TrentSabanRobot]

My units level are the ff.
Balloons (currently upgrading to level 4)
Gobs (max)
Wiz (level 3)
Dragon (max for th9)
Hog (level 2)
Minions (level 1)
others at level 1

BK level 5
AQ level 3

My questions are:
1. What unit should I level up first?
2. Is BAM a good strategy to farm and to reach Masters? If yes, can a level 1 Minion do the job?
3. What other attack strategies should I also try aside from the others mentioned above?
4. I attached pics of my base and upgrades. What should I prioritize moving forward?




TIA!

It sounds like you are in need of a trophy hunting army based on your comments above, so I will answer with that in mind.

1) I think the troops that would give you the most versatility are going to be Wizards, Minions, and Balloons. I made it to over 2500 cups using giants and wizards, so maybe that's the quickest upgrade for you if time is a factor. If you can get your minions to Lvl 4/5 and Balloons to 6 though, Balloonion could take you to Master III and higher.

2) Bam will be good for a while, but I don't think it would be easy to take it to Masters league. Your minions are too low for BAM at a high level anyway, you'll need them to be at least L4.

3) Check the link in my sig. I used the Giant/Wizard combo mentioned in my link to get to my cup record.

4) Sorry, can't pull up your base at the moment.

[Rastis]

Thank you for the replies, Rastis, StanHC, and hawdog. Much appreciated.


I can't attach any pucs yet, I don't know why.

I usually get 200-300k of total loots (gold + elixir) per raid. I use 1 Healer, 12 Giants, 6 WB, then mix of BAG. Sometimes I splash in 3 Wizards and 10 Hogs. Depending on the time. I don't get much when I use BAM. I'll try to use other combos later.


May I ask, what trophy range should I been?



also on my defense, for the last 3 defenses, I got walloped by mass hogs twice, and healer+wiz+giants+drag combos. They stole an average of 350k.

You managed to edit in the pics, they work now!

Try to check some youtube vids with BAM, since it's the most efficient farming army there is (time wise, at least). Range varies very greatly, anything between 1300-1800, you will have to try different ranges. Some days when I don't find anything, I go up or down by 100-200 cups and all of a sudden haul in loot with a rake. Check your Defenses list for people who sniped your TH with 2-5 star troops, and check if they're higher up in cups - 3 star revenges might boost you by around 50 cups, making fast cup gains possible.

For layout, I'd advice you to use an anti-hog layout since that's the only way to have a decent chance to defend against hogs.

Some that I like personally:

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post1134942
(using this one now)

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...sters-Anti-Hog

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ti-Hog-Designs

Best of luck, and keep grinding.

edit: You should tweak around the core a bit because you're farming - modify it so that you have the TH on the outside of the base so it can be sniped, giving you a shield. You can move in both heroes into the core for instance, to improve defense. Exposed TH is important when farming.

[rockmamba]

Thanks for the help. I'll just try to figure out what trophy range I should be in.

[sharonsym]

you're not premie

I would switch all wizard towers position with Exilir storages
then switch DE drills and AD
then switch heroes and AD

[rockmamba]

Cool. Thanks, sharonsym.