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    "Average clanmate in the clan" button.

    Hello everyone.
    I don't think I have to explain too much about the idea but I want to suggest an idea of the average clan member. When you tap this button you see a pop up window that tell you the average townhall level in the clan, the regular base trophies & bb trophies, average xp level, donated donations and received and etc...
    In my opinion it will help people to find the perfect clan for them.

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    Ahh, something like how per capita income works?

    If country A has 5 people with salaries 10k each. And then a country B has 5 people with salaries 46k, 1k, 1k, 1k and 1k.
    Which country will you prefer to live in as both have an average of 10k each?
    (I just wanted to say, average is the worst method of making an opinion about sth).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayankkumar View Post
    Ahh, something like how per capita income works?

    If country A has 5 people with salaries 10k each. And then a country B has 5 people with salaries 46k, 1k, 1k, 1k and 1k.
    Which country will you prefer to live in as both have an average of 10k each?
    (I just wanted to say, average is the worst method of making an opinion about sth).
    +1 Agree! Averaging often leads to erroneous assumptions.

    That said, the use of Arithmetic Mean (as in your example) is seldom used for such statistics, due to the "prone to extremes" situations. Rather, either Mode or Median is typically used. That said, given the small population for clans, 50 maximum, I don't belive any statisical summary is necessary. One gets a truer picture by looking at each individual, 50 is not much, so why summarize at all. Countries I would have to examine millions of data points, so a statisical summary makes sense, but not for very small populations.
    Last edited by rowman; April 30th, 2021 at 04:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rowman View Post
    +1 Agree! Averaging often leads to erroneous assumptions.

    That said, the use of Arithmetic Mean (as in your example) is seldom used for such statistics, due to the "prone to extremes" situations. Rather, either Mode or Median is typically used. That said, given the small population for clans, 50 maximum, I don't belive any statisical summary is necessary. One gets a truer picture by looking at each individual, 50 is not much, so why summarize at all. Countries I would have to examine millions of data points, so a statical summary makes sense, but not for very small populations.
    I don't think anyone will pass one by one only for knowing the average details.

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    Hey OP. I agree with the others that averaging is not the best idea. I think the mode would be better (occurring most frequently) for example, the clan will show the most occurring town hall level and you can also search for a clan by a mode of let's say th9 so the clan results gives you a clan that has more th9s than any town hall level in that clan. Averaging can get confusing since an average of th8 could give you a clan with th14s and th2s only (even though almost impossible but using this example to prove my point).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Def4ultpl4y3r View Post
    Hey OP. I agree with the others that averaging is not the best idea. I think the mode would be better (occurring most frequently) for example, the clan will show the most occurring town hall level and you can also search for a clan by a mode of let's say th9 so the clan results gives you a clan that has more th9s than any town hall level in that clan. Averaging can get confusing since an average of th8 could give you a clan with th14s and th2s only (even though almost impossible but using this example to prove my point).
    That's about what I meant to in the final result but it ruins the other details... /:

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    How would you account for rushed vs maxed bases? A TH9 rushed that cant hit higher than a TH7 in a war vs a TH9 max who can easily triple most other TH9s with an occasional triple to a newer TH10. Both would be a "TH9" in your measure.

    Or a trophy dumper vs a trophy pusher...

    Donation counts and war log I think are great indicators for activity and the CWL rank gives a general direction of skill (knowing there is natural attrition and roster changes over time). I'm not sure I'd trust a statistical calculator of clan strength given how many variables there can be to mislead the calculator.

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    It would be nice to see the little TH icons beside each clanmate like they do for CWL and recently updated for classic war. Then you could eyeball the list and get a ballpark idea if you have a similar TH level compared to existing members, but you should still view players individually to determine their level of participation and history.

    I like the idea of statistics though not so much needing them to be in-game. Although I only did a cursory check prior to posting, the discord sidekick bot is pretty good for getting stats for an entire clan as is Clash of Stats, from which the sidekick bot information is derived.

    If your main reason for this request is to see if you’ll be a good fit in a clan, I’d say that is a poor indicator. You can be a th14 joining an all th14 and not be guaranteed to be a good donor, a “three star specialist”, or a clan games finisher.

    Yes, I am looking at this from the perspective of a clan leader, not a clan seeker. As a clan leader without super stringent join requirements, I do partially depend on random players joining to fill my ranks (I don’t use the recruitment tool), but I usually wait to judge whether someone is a good fit until AFTER they have been in the clan a while and not always before I let them join unless they are extremely “alternatively upgraded” or have very low friend in need and games champion numbers.

    But, I don’t want a potential joiner to view an average and make a determination to join primarily from that. Many of my clanmates, including myself, keep a lot of low level minis in the clan which would drive the actual average of active player stats down, and I don’t think being “mini friendly” should be a black mark against my clan.

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    It would be nice to see the little TH icons beside each clanmate like they do for CWL and recently updated for classic war. Then you could eyeball the list and get a ballpark idea if you have a similar TH level compared to existing members, but you should still view players individually to determine their level of participation and history.
    Scorlling down this was my exact thought. There is normally plenty space between name and right end of text, so maybe a smally TH indicator showing the TH, +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by toofinedog View Post
    It would be nice to see the little TH icons beside each clanmate like they do for CWL and recently updated for classic war. Then you could eyeball the list and get a ballpark idea if you have a similar TH level compared to existing members, but you should still view players individually to determine their level of participation and history.
    Yeah I thought about it a lot but I thought it's only me. +1
    Last edited by LaserRadiation; May 2nd, 2021 at 05:46 PM. Reason: Typo

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