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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix1027 View Post
    Unfortunately the problem is very real... This can and will happen if they implemented your idea, so what can be done to prevent it? Because I honestly have no solution.
    Unbelievable, but shouldn’t be amazed at what some people will do for a buck.

    One idea: Would it discourage scammers if there was a charge in gold/elixir to “claim leader role” in a dead clan? The charge should be higher for higher level clans. That might make sure a player wants to use the clan as well as increase the risk to scammers for claiming the leader role. Also, the name cannot be changed on a resurrected clan. After all, it is resurrected, not a new clan.

    Black markets fill voids that the legitimate marketplace doesn’t. Here, Supercell says they own the clans and you can’t sell them, leaving a void the scammers are happy to exploit and apparently enough gullible people are happy to jump into. By charging for the “claim leader role” button on inactive clans, Supercell will (1) provide a legitimate marketplace to remove some incentives for gullible people to try black markets (2) chip away at scammers’ profit margins and (3) monetize for themselves an asset that clearly has some value, but right now is just sitting there.
    Last edited by Deafkate; 2 Weeks Ago at 10:38 PM. Reason: Add comments on black markets

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deafkate View Post
    Unbelievable, but shouldn’t be amazed at what some people will do for a buck.

    One idea: Would it discourage scammers if there was a charge in gold/elixir to “claim leader role” in a dead clan? The charge should be higher for higher level clans. That might make sure a player wants to use the clan as well as increase the risk to scammers for claiming the leader role. Also, the name cannot be changed on a resurrected clan. After all, it is resurrected, not a new clan.
    That would just raise the cost if anything. "If you want this clan you'd have to farm extra for it so you're getting it cheaper and faster this way."

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by chased123456 View Post
    That would just raise the cost if anything. "If you want this clan you'd have to farm extra for it so you're getting it cheaper and faster this way."
    You pay for everything in Clash, either with resources or time. To start a clan, it’s 40000 gold. I think this proposal fits well with the rest of the game because you can start from scratch for 40000 gold or you can spend more (and be happy with the name) to rush your clan up several levels. You will still have to get people to join to make it a good clan again.
    Last edited by Deafkate; 2 Weeks Ago at 10:09 PM. Reason: Clarify

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deafkate View Post
    Unbelievable, but shouldn’t be amazed at what some people will do for a buck.

    One idea: Would it discourage scammers if there was a charge in gold/elixir to “claim leader role” in a dead clan? The charge should be higher for higher level clans. That might make sure a player wants to use the clan as well as increase the risk to scammers for claiming the leader role. Also, the name cannot be changed on a resurrected clan. After all, it is resurrected, not a new clan.
    That wouldn't deter any reasonably active player. Loot is so plentiful in the game that it'd be quite easy to farm enough to buy leadership with loot just after a week of CWL and raiding. Plus there's the fact that there's runes that completely fill your storages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix1027 View Post
    That wouldn't deter any reasonably active player. Loot is so plentiful in the game that it'd be quite easy to farm enough to buy leadership with loot just after a week of CWL and raiding. Plus there's the fact that there's runes that completely fill your storages.
    Not intended to deter reasonably active players. Want to discourage scammers by increasing the cost to them. Also, if there is a legitimate marketplace to go out and find a clan to “buy” then the black market loses some of its draw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deafkate View Post
    Not intended to deter reasonably active players. Want to discourage scammers by increasing the cost to them. Also, if there is a legitimate marketplace to go out and find a clan to “buy” then the black market loses some of its draw.
    Supercell aren't likely to, effectively, put a value on a clan, because I don't see how anyone can "discourage scammers" by giving them an entirely new market to exploit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaledonian View Post
    Supercell aren't likely to, effectively, put a value on a clan, because I don't see how anyone can "discourage scammers" by giving them an entirely new market to exploit.
    Scammers are putting values on clans in the black markets. If there is a legitimate marketplace, the black market may not go away completely but its prevalence and size is reduced because potential buyers have a legitimate option. The supply of inactive clans on the legitimate market would also reduce the value compared to the value scammers currently command on the black market while supply is artificially restricted because Supercell tries to keep clans from being sold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deafkate View Post
    ...is there any value to having clans get recycled? Under the current system, I think, once the system gets to the last coleader, it will have cycled through all coleaders and demoted them to member and the last coleader will be promoted to leader and then the system is stuck because there are no more coleaders to transfer leader role to. Then the clan is truly dead. Unless after a reasonably long period of time (maybe a year’s worth of holidays and vacations to allow the last leader to login), a button appears on the clan to “claim leader role”, at which point any member in the clan could claim the role. If the clan is set for “invite only” or “closed”, then after another reasonably long period, the clan setting is reset to “anyone can join” and the clan can be resurrected. Everything in Clash takes time, upgrades, resources, leveling up, why not allow clans to live on after a reasonable period of time.
    No.

    There is more value for all in working up your clan, and the best clan has many members who have always been in it.

    If you worry about clan points wasted try doing a clan search for high level single member clans, there are so many, at every level!

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    Quote Originally Posted by George1971 View Post
    No.

    There is more value for all in working up your clan, and the best clan has many members who have always been in it.

    If you worry about clan points wasted try doing a clan search for high level single member clans, there are so many, at every level!
    Not worried about clan points.

    From the very informative discussion so far, I now wholeheartedly disagree with your answer to the initial question. The answer is clearly “yes” and scammers are exploiting it on black market sites, taking advantage of misinformed and gullible clashers.

    I am uncertain if there is more or less value in working up your clan compared to “buying” a clan, but that is not relevant to the point here. There certainly is value in a leveled-up clan, evidenced by the price scammers are apparently able to command on the black market sites. By not enabling a way to resurrect inactive clans, Supercell is leaving value on the table and allowing scammers to take advantage of clashers.

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    Based on your suggestion.... of someone with zero involvement in a unused clan, being able to just take it over, (pay some gold.... as you have added), to be come leader, to save building the a new clan up... why not also extend this to abandoned accounts.... why the bother to make a new one and work it up, when you can just find an account not used for 2 years and claim it?
    I know you are not suggesting this, but I see this as the next extension to your idea if this ever came about, and I think it’s just as bad as letting someone just take on an abandoned clan...

    Clan:
    ClashAustralia! | Clan ID: #P0QG0C8J | IGN: VanSim | Discord: VanSim#7997
    Clan Lvl: 17 CWL: Masters Clan Formed: 16/03/2015
    TH: TH12 | AQ: L65 | BK: 65 | GW 40 | Max Trophies: 4500+
    TH: TH12 | AQ: L65 | BK: 65 | GW 40 | Max Trophies: 3800+
    TH: TH13 | AQ: L75 | BK: 75 | GW 50 | RC: 25 | Max Trophies: 5500+

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