Darian’s AMA on Reddit.

[Night Crawler]

first off, thanks you Palu for doing this as always, a tremendous amount of work and your efforts are appreciated. Secondly, thank you Darian for doing it as well, it’s always good to know that SC is listening even if it doesn’t always appear that way at times.
Lastly, maybe the AMA should be moved to a different format? I went on Reddit, I’m not very well versed using it, I find it very messy and hard to use, I can’t imagine what Palu goes through to get this out of there and into here? I would be lost. I suggest maybe that for future AMAs that a post is put up on all of the media platforms and the questions are vetted and then it is done using YouTube or Twitch or something like that? might be easier?

[Ullaspn]

first off, thanks you Palu for doing this as always, a tremendous amount of work and your efforts are appreciated. Secondly, thank you Darian for doing it as well, it’s always good to know that SC is listening even if it doesn’t always appear that way at times.
Lastly, maybe the AMA should be moved to a different format? I went on Reddit, I’m not very well versed using it, I find it very messy and hard to use, I can’t imagine what Palu goes through to get this out of there and into here? I would be lost. I suggest maybe that for future AMAs that a post is put up on all of the media platforms and the questions are vetted and then it is done using YouTube or Twitch or something like that? might be easier?

Collecting questions from all platforms and answering it in a video will be better.

[JusMe]

Collecting questions from all platforms and answering it in a video will be better.

... which is exactly what NC suggests?

[Kaptain Kat]

I call you know what on

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I do not understand this attitude from SuperCell to be honest.

Well, I really do not believe we were intentionally lied to, mislead or fed false information. I do believe what they’ve communicated about the tool is accurate and correct.

That being said... and this is my personal opinion / experience as a player in some random clan .... I do not think the tool meets the needs of clans and clashers and therefore it isn’t a good tool. Maybe improvements would help but I still think it wouldn’t be close to what’s really needed. I do think this tool misses the mark. If they could add something like language thing I still don’t think it will make all the difference in the world.

I do wish players when searching a clan could filter on CWL league for example. If I was a player looking for a clan I would be looking for a clan at a certain CWL level and no it wouldn’t be a champ I clan either. But alas SC doesn’t feel that it’s a good option because those top clans would be bombarded with join requests. Well I see little difference with clans who are on the trophy leaderboard. But yea I’m just a player and have no influence on this.

Ever since the recruitment tool was implemented we have hardly seen decent people apply. It’s been a while since it was implemented and over time we’ve lost some players who quit playing and moved on etc. slowly the clan is getting somewhat less active and have less players in it. Currently we are still a champion 3 clan but where we once had 15 different players in the line up we now have several with 2-3 accounts. We are around level 21 or 22. (I forget) and been around since 2014. All the years before the tool we’ve managed to maintain a relatively full clan, we are now at 30ish with several multi account players. We haven’t missed a clan game reward tier yet.
We’re not a horrible clan, we do expect players not to be complete yahoos and contribute to games somewhat and pull their weight in donating and do attacks in wars etc. but for the most part we’re a bunch of casual adults. Anywho long story short the trend my clan is on isn’t a good one and sooner or later it will just end and players who have clashed together for years and years are bound to quit rather then look for a new home clan.
The story of my clan is certainly not unique.

I have given it time to see how it would develop but by now I think we can say a trend is surely visible at least for my clan and it isn’t a good one.

[Kaptain Kat]

PaluEF, thanks for that effort. Deserves some reputation.

[ClasherAK47]

All the years before the tool we’ve managed to maintain a relatively full clan, we are now at 30ish with several multi account players. We haven’t missed a clan game reward tier yet.....

Anywho long story short the trend my clan is on isn’t a good one and sooner or later it will just end and players who have clashed together for years and years are bound to quit rather then look for a new home clan.

Thanks Kat, I picked two statements from your reply and i can say that's exactly how i feel and noticed the same trend as you described.

Level 19 Clan with almost 600 wars and 163 losses we are not a good match for players to apply, nor i am able to find players that are not from China, Korea, Iran or India (naming countries based on player names) We do not have anybody from these countries nor do any of us use laguages so why do i keep getting results with these players.

As horrible as Global was at least we managed to attract players, i know its not coming back but what replaced global is just total waste of space in the game.

now i sit here and wait for stable clan argument.....

[Kaptain Kat]

Thanks Kat, I picked two statements from your reply and i can say that's exactly how i feel and noticed the same trend as you described.

Level 19 Clan with almost 600 wars and 163 losses we are not a good match for players to apply, nor i am able to find players that are not from China, Korea, Iran or India (naming countries based on player names) We do not have anybody from these countries nor do any of us use laguages so why do i keep getting results with these players.

As horrible as Global was at least we managed to attract players, i know its not coming back but what replaced global is just total waste of space in the game.

now i sit here and wait for stable clan argument.....

Our win/loss ratio is a bit worse. We’re just over 500 won and no idea how many losses but I good lot more I’m sure. We used to be not so serious about war, and we were even a FWA clan for a good year or so. That in itself means you will win roughly 50% but lose the other half. It was back in de days modding was running wild and wars just weren’t fun. Now we’re try to win but still things happen and we can’t win everyone and that’s ok. But we expect a solid effort especially in CWL. No risky shenanigans, just solid.

Anywho I am positive there clans who don’t have the issue or experience you or I describe and I’m sure there’s lots of clans who do alright and I also will believe their story. Nevertheless their experience doesn’t make mine or yours any less true. Some may be in the same boat but don’t see the writing on the wall just yet. One or 2 players quitting in a full clan doesn’t really stand out yet. It’s a slow process. Slowly the clan goes from having the oldest message in chat being 30 minutes to one where’s its hours or even you can read in the morning where you said night the night before etc.

There can be lots of reasons why clans thrive as well. Maybe they don’t have the issue of players quitting. Some clans are simply more visible then others. Like clans on the various leaderboard in all the different locations. Players who are on player leaderboards all over the world so the clan is more visible. Whether they get a lot of applicants of the right sort of recruit is a different story but you have to have applicants to find players that fit.
Some clans are more visible because they have a big YouTuber or streamer. Some are more visible because they have players invest a lot of time outside the game and recruiting on various platforms. Unfortunately our group just wants to play the game and not spend hours recruiting. Players can search for clans with a minimum of number of players. They’re more likely to search fuller clans over half full ones.
Whatever the reason is, I’m sure lots do thrive as well, but there’s also a lot in the anonymity who aren’t as visible who struggle.
Just like the “western” rich countries there’s a certain standard of life but that doesn’t mean those countries don’t have poverty. However it’s often hidden.

[JusMe]

Well, I really do not believe we were intentionally lied to, mislead or fed false information. I do believe what they’ve communicated about the tool is accurate and correct. [snip]

Kat,
it might not be intentionally, but to just see the exact same response yesterday as all those months ago it was also asked (and the way that the topic just keeps on getting ignored just about everywhere else), that just isn't right. And to again be told 'it's the players not understanding' that just doesn't add up.

I totally don't think this was what SC had in mind or maybe it wasn't even thought through at all before it went live (that still is how it feels), but jeez, isn't it time by now to come clean about this topic and either shut it down or be clear that it might be useful for some clans (mainstream higher up English speaking clans) but not for other clans.... Just continuing with 'SC isn't the one developing it' is not our concern or fault, it IS SuperCell that has given them the assignment, correct?

I know several developers and some of them have been itching to try their hand at something like this, partially due to their frustration as well... and no, I'm not saying 'oh it's simple, anyone can do this' or anything like that. I know how complicating development is, and of course this is a system that's been built, and built on, an added to and so on... so it definitely won't be a walk in the park. But seriously, even the most basic of basic just doesn't add up... Do the people who are building this, even understand what the game is and how it works? I'm sorry, but it really doesn't seem like it...

*gets off shoebox and disappears in the night ~ for now*

[Tosti111]

Our win/loss ratio is a bit worse. We’re just over 500 won and no idea how many losses but I good lot more I’m sure. We used to be not so serious about war, and we were even a FWA clan for a good year or so. That in itself means you will win roughly 50% but lose the other half. It was back in de days modding was running wild and wars just weren’t fun. Now we’re try to win but still things happen and we can’t win everyone and that’s ok. But we expect a solid effort especially in CWL. No risky shenanigans, just solid.

Anywho I am positive there clans who don’t have the issue or experience you or I describe and I’m sure there’s lots of clans who do alright and I also will believe their story. Nevertheless their experience doesn’t make mine or yours any less true. Some may be in the same boat but don’t see the writing on the wall just yet. One or 2 players quitting in a full clan doesn’t really stand out yet. It’s a slow process. Slowly the clan goes from having the oldest message in chat being 30 minutes to one where’s its hours or even you can read in the morning where you said night the night before etc.

There can be lots of reasons why clans thrive as well. Maybe they don’t have the issue of players quitting. Some clans are simply more visible then others. Like clans on the various leaderboard in all the different locations. Players who are on player leaderboards all over the world so the clan is more visible. Whether they get a lot of applicants of the right sort of recruit is a different story but you have to have applicants to find players that fit.
Some clans are more visible because they have a big YouTuber or streamer. Some are more visible because they have players invest a lot of time outside the game and recruiting on various platforms. Unfortunately our group just wants to play the game and not spend hours recruiting. Players can search for clans with a minimum of number of players. They’re more likely to search fuller clans over half full ones.
Whatever the reason is, I’m sure lots do thrive as well, but there’s also a lot in the anonymity who aren’t as visible who struggle.
Just like the “western” rich countries there’s a certain standard of life but that doesn’t mean those countries don’t have poverty. However it’s often hidden.

We are in a similar spot as you Kat.

If it truly is not understanding the recruiting tool, can someone please help me understand the following:

We set the criteria to TH12+ And english. I go into the tool and yes, I get offered TH 12/13 folks....great, that part works. I select Clan War and Clan War League (IMO the two most likely to be selected by any applicant). The list shows up and 53/60 show folks already in clans. Of the 7 remaining that are clanless, 5 have names that are obviously not english. Of the two remaining, both are TH13 with approx 150-180 xp level with heroes in mid teens and troops are behind and bases are underdeveloped. Never mind the fact that when i actually come across someone that might be a fit, their mailbox is always full.

What exactly am I doing wrong? If I am doing nothing wrong and the pickings are really that slim, exactly what do you expect to happen to clans like ours? We havent gotten a single player yet in over a year from the recruitment tool, but I have gotten a couple off the forum recruiting thread.

[Night Crawler]

over time we’ve lost some players who quit playing and moved on etc. slowly the clan is getting somewhat less active and have less players in it. donating and do attacks in wars etc. Anywho long story short the trend my clan is on isn’t a good one and sooner or later it will just end and players who have clashed together for years and years are bound to quit rather then look for a new home clan.
The story of my clan is certainly not unique.

the story of Clash.........

games eventually lose their luster for people, some sooner than others, reasons differ as well

a question you have to ask yourself is what attracted you to the game? and then you need to ask yourself, what is it that has kept you playing the game?

for me personally, I wanted a game that was fun, challenging and offered entertainment. When I found Clash I had no idea that I was looking for a game where I could interact with other people, I’m quite content playing games by myself, I have spent countless hours throughout my gaming life playing other games solo
but...... when I found Clash, I found a game that was intriguing, challenging enough that I wanted to get to the top level to battle other bases, and then I found a clan, a clan full of like minded people, mostly adults, who liked to play for the same reasons and who liked to chat about the game and life in general.
Well, this blew my mind, I was like wow!! I’m playing a game that is fun with a bunch of people from all over the world, it was/is so cool. I was then introduced to this forum, where I met a lot of other people, people whom I wanted to have a beer with some day, (Holps, Pet, Finch and many many others) some I actually did, thanks Hatch and Rob. I met people who got married because they met in game, crazy/awesome!! There were many fun fun fun Events put on by a volunteer group (Heather, Tull, and others, big big huge thank you btw) and this opened up even more opportunities for me to meet more awesome people of like mind.
But slowly the game started to change and leaned towards the competitive side of things, and not that it wasn’t a good thing, or not that it wasn’t/isn’t needed, but what got lost in the shuffle was the social dynamic of the game, the “fun” part. People got so wrapped up in competing that they lost touch of each other, they got tired of the continuous grind of the same ol same where they could no longer achieve 3*, or they had to learn new strats with even more new troops when they had just barely begun to learn how to 3* with the old “meta”, frustration sets in, so they would just pop on grind out some attacks, hit another upgrade, maybe chat for a minute and then leave on to something else.
This is what I have seen in many many clans. Sure there are still a lot of us diehards that are lingering around, but finding fresh blood is difficult at best.
I still hold a special place for this game, and am still grinding it out, there are things I don’t like, such as the addition of the s-troops, but I am holding out for that special spark......