"Too much loot"? Please.

[memerylane]

The idea of "too much loot" is indeed a valid argument. Sure there is always room for improvement and adjustments to be made to find the "sweet spot" where it's "just right," but indeed the idea that flooding the game with resources will ruin it is still very much a reality.

If the game was flooded with loot and everyone could afford max level of everything then I am pretty sure it would have an incredibly negative affect on the competitive aspect and longevity of the game. Not saying the loot is perfect just backing up ZachUVA on his this particularly dated, but still relevant argument.

You've used the same argument with regard to this most recent update, Steve. That's why I brought it up.

It's a valid argument, currently, only in the hypothetical sense. I continue to scratch my head at the use of such a vapid axiom in the face of hundreds of posts about problems with the system and hundreds of players I personally "know"/play with who continue to report problems with extensive search cost and time commitment on a daily basis. Far beyond issues or complaints prior to the changes.

Again, we are so very far from the hypothetical reality of "too much loot" that its use in conversations about the loot system update is absurd.

[Locust]

What's your TH level? I am TH10, and every other TH10 I talk to has this same problem most of the time.

I have farmed from 1500-2400 over the past month, with 5-6 different types of armies. I made a statement yesterday that applies to this:

It doesn't matter what trophy level you are. 1500-1800 is tons of searching and occasionally a good base, usually just an okay one. 1800-2200 is still tons of searching, generally better loot, but more expensive armies and some loot lost on defense from strong armies attacking you. 2200+ is less searching and better loot but even more expensive armies, plus getting more loot stolen from even stronger armies attacking you.

The net result is the same: boring, tedious farming at TH10.

I'm all for having to work for my upgrades, but spending 100+K gold and 10+ minutes per search to find a viable option has become beyond tiresome.

I have to agree with this. Im at th 10 and sitting with 2860 cups, im able to find larger gold amounts but you are also losing larger amounts to. In just 4 def today i lost over 900k in gold, while i won the def. it is not possible to replace these lost resources due to time. If I'm not working then it takes 2-3 hrs to make spells as anyone at my level know you need them to stand any chance to win cups and resources. Losing that much wouldn't be so bad if it didnt cost me 6.4 million to upgrade the wiz tower i was trying to do. Things were great when we had the boosts but now that is gone so we fight over bread crumbs again.

[memerylane]

Aside from the mis-quoting of someone to prove your point which is not really on is it but anyway - I don't relate at all i'm looking at my last hour and 22 mins i've been raiding on and off - one 94k gold, 164k gold 51k gold (we are all human) and a monster 301k gold collector base anyone could have had....none of these took more than 10-15 presses.

Are you just looking in the wrong place we can not be playing different games and I don't know what TH you are but i'm on the worst one for loot - TH10

First of all, I didn't misquote Zach. I quoted his exact words. I've already apologized for not providing the full quote (since, for him and his views, it was important) and additionally explained that, aside from this, the same quote/idea has been argued here frequently and recently.

As has been said many times in similar threads, how does your one example of four raids negate the issues that thousands of people are having? Both may be anecdotal evidence in the end, sure, but an enormous sample size of such evidence is much more reliable than that of one player.

I'm also TH10. See another of my posts here regarding where and how I've tried to farm over the past month. It's all the same. My clan mates are doing the same and having the same frustrations.

Your loot results are a great example of the problem. Thanks for sharing them! Excluding the lucky collector raid, which everyone gets maybe once/week or so at TH10, are you saying that ~103K gold/raid is a good haul? Is that similar to what you got prior to the updates? As I've seen your YouTube channel, I know the answer is no haha. Even if we included the collector raid, ~600K gold in 4 raids isn't that great either. Prior to the recent changes, I'd almost never click "next" more than 25 times, and I raided for around 200/200 almost every time.

With regard to solutions, I'll say what I (and others, I'm sure) are saying: the reduction of max loot percentage available at higher TH levels is clearly a) the biggest problem and b) the most easily fixed.

[Sandalhat]

I have to agree with this. Im at th 10 and sitting with 2860 cups, im able to find larger gold amounts but you are also losing larger amounts to. In just 4 def today i lost over 900k in gold, while i won the def. it is not possible to replace these lost resources due to time. If I'm not working then it takes 2-3 hrs to make spells as anyone at my level know you need them to stand any chance to win cups and resources. Losing that much wouldn't be so bad if it didnt cost me 6.4 million to upgrade the wiz tower i was trying to do. Things were great when we had the boosts but now that is gone so we fight over bread crumbs again.

Hybrid is dead, loot or trophies, choose one.

[Daddy]

well all i can say again is i don't relate to the problems you are stating as fact, it's my opinion i'm not deriding yours but it's mine.

Farming is all about efficiency as you know - those 4 BAM raids took 18 minutes each to build - add in 5 mins for 10-15 (not 25) searches and that's about 420k-450k gold/hour which is perfectly acceptable at TH10 - it's not great but it's a straw poll.

I don't agree that you only find one 300k raid per week, one per day maybe.

I appreciate you watching my videos, as you will know from them i'm aiming for 100k gold per raid - i'm not greedy and that's pretty much what I got.

First of all, as has been said many times in similar threads, how does your one example of four raids negate the issues that thousands of people are having? Both may be anecdotal evidence in the end, sure, but an enormous sample size of such evidence is much more reliable than that of one player.

I'm also TH10. See another of my posts here regarding where and how I've tried to farm over the past month. It's all the same. My clan mates are doing the same and having the same frustrations.

Your loot results are a great example of the problem. Thanks for sharing them! Excluding the lucky collector raid, which everyone gets maybe once/week or so at TH10, are you saying that ~103K gold/raid is a good haul? Is that similar to what you got prior to the updates? As I've seen your YouTube channel, I know the answer is no haha. Even if we included the collector raid, ~600K gold in 4 raids isn't that great either. Prior to the recent changes, I'd almost never click "next" more than 25 times, and I raided for around 200/200 almost every time.

With regard to solutions, I'll say what I (and others, I'm sure) are saying: the reduction of max loot percentage available at higher TH levels is clearly a) the biggest problem and b) the most easily fixed.

[Mendax]

Of course the amount of loot needs be carefully managed. I mean, it's not like they can allow it so players can just wave around a piece of plastic and generate as much gold as they want..

[memerylane]

well all i can say again is i don't relate to the problems you are stating as fact, it's my opinion i'm not deriding yours but it's mine.

Farming is all about efficiency as you know - those 4 BAM raids took 18 minutes each to build - add in 5 mins for 10-15 (not 25) searches and that's about 420k-450k gold/hour which is perfectly acceptable at TH10 - it's not great but it's a straw poll.

I don't agree that you only find one 300k raid per week, one per day maybe.

I appreciate you watching my videos, as you will know from them i'm aiming for 100k gold per raid - i'm not greedy and that's pretty much what I got.

Thanks for the clarification. And yes, your videos were very helpful, especially as I was beginning the game. Cheers, man.

I suppose that a massive, widespread recalibration in expectations is an option for myself and the other players experiencing problems. That's true. Expecting only 100K gold/raid would indeed be so for everyone I know who plays the game, that's for sure.

My main concern in this is that most players, knowing a) the rate at which they were previously able to farm and b) the guise of "being able to save for and obtain big upgrades more easily," under which these changes were introduced, will cause fatigue and disappointment, leading to decreased interest in the game, decreased interpersonal draw to/buzz about the game, and eventually an abandonment of the game which drops SC's profits from such players to zero.

For this reason, there is benefit for all, even and especially SC, in having them address and respond to this massive outpouring of frustration with some actions of good faith that will actually accomplish their purported goals.

[memerylane]

For me personally, I'm finding pretty good loot in masters using balloonions (especially DE).

That's the army I keep coming back to, as well, with some barbs and archers to round it out/lure CC/pick off collectors/etc.

It works well most of the time, but it's one that almost always takes dozens and dozens of "nexts" to find a good base and also requires 45-60 minutes to train. Usually at least 2 spells to obtain a good haul, too.

[Nickroge]

If you are only searching for 200k+/200k+ each time then in my opinion you are being too picky with your selection! Say it takes 10min to find one of those raids and you use 50k gold. You are making a profit of 150k. If you are less picky and pick your raids within 30sec-1min for 125k ( this is the strategy i use) then you can get 2 raids done in the time it would take you to raid that 200k and you would be making 250k instead of 150k in the same time frame, so 100k more when less picky. My strategy is Barch, extremely fast training and powerful enough to get the job done even with 3/4 th9 camps filled.

[AirmanRaider]

I was under the distinct impression that this update was good news for TH10s.