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    Clan War League imbalance

    After 6 years of playing and being on an 18 war clan win streak, our clan decided to try a Clan War League.

    We are: 2 x TH13, 1 x TH12, 2 x TH11, 4 x TH10, 4 x TH9 and 2 x TH8

    We are matched in first battle against TH13 x 1 TH 12 x 1, then nearly all TH11s and 3 TH10s

    Absolutely no chance for our TH9s or TH8s. Even our TH10s are against TH11s.

    I managed to get into no less than 4 of the other clans this morning to look at their bases and it gets worse...

    Most of them are TH13, 12, 11 and 10s.

    So, therefore it is not worth us attacking for all 7 battles though we attempted to on the first one.

    Complete waste of time as 7-8 of our clan cannot get 2 star at all.

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    When your clan launches the CWL for the first time the top 15 (30) players are used to determine in what league you should be placed.
    After that there is zero matchmaking.
    The only condition enemy clans must fulfill to be matched against you, is being in the same CWL league as you.

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    The initial seed into a tier is based on the top 15 bases in your clan roster. So if you have other heavier bases that you arent using in the wars, you may have been seeded too high. If not, the initial seeding has been a bit wonky. Hard to know without knowing what tier you are in. Gold and lower activity often wins over town hall levels. Lots more discussion available in the war subforum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piper139 View Post
    The initial seed into a tier is based on the top 15 bases in your clan roster. So if you have other heavier bases that you arent using in the wars, you may have been seeded too high. If not, the initial seeding has been a bit wonky. Hard to know without knowing what tier you are in. Gold and lower activity often wins over town hall levels. Lots more discussion available in the war subforum.
    Thanks for the replies.

    Gold League 1

    For a clan that wins 9 out of 10 of our wars weíre about to lose 7 in a row.

    I had no idea there was no balancing involved which in itself seems unfair to TH10 and lower players who are matched versus TH11s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrGreenbearUK View Post
    After 6 years of playing and being on an 18 war clan win streak, our clan decided to try a Clan War League.

    We are: 2 x TH13, 1 x TH12, 2 x TH11, 4 x TH10, 4 x TH9 and 2 x TH8

    We are matched in first battle against TH13 x 1 TH 12 x 1, then nearly all TH11s and 3 TH10s

    Absolutely no chance for our TH9s or TH8s. Even our TH10s are against TH11s.

    I managed to get into no less than 4 of the other clans this morning to look at their bases and it gets worse...

    Most of them are TH13, 12, 11 and 10s.

    So, therefore it is not worth us attacking for all 7 battles though we attempted to on the first one.

    Complete waste of time as 7-8 of our clan cannot get 2 star at all.

    GB
    1. Just to be complete: the clan you are in has not been seeded for CWL before? Ever? There was no tier attached to the clan? And what tier are you in now?

    2. You can go on ClashOfStats, check your clan, go to the 'war' tab and see all the clans in your poule of 8 with the number of bases in their roster and what TH those are...

    And yes, CWL is totally unbalanced. TH level and such really don't matter all that much in CWL

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    To add to what the others have said, it is not at all clear whether the seeding algorithm has been adjusted since the first CWL.

    If it hasn't, then any clan entering for the first time is going to be in a significantly higher tier than they should be, because most clans have got much stronger in the time since CWL started.

    You don't say what tier you are I, but with what you have, I would guess you really belong in about gold III or Silver I.

    If you are down that low, then you will find most of those other clans have several inactives, and even gettng 1 star against most of them will be enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajax View Post
    To add to what the others have said, it is not at all clear whether the seeding algorithm has been adjusted since the first CWL.

    If it hasn't, then any clan entering for the first time is going to be in a significantly higher tier than they should be, because most clans have got much stronger in the time since CWL started.

    You don't say what tier you are I, but with what you have, I would guess you really belong in about gold III or Silver I.

    If you are down that low, then you will find most of those other clans have several inactives, and even gettng 1 star against most of them will be enough.
    So weíre in Gold League 1, our first clan war league attempt. Weíre perfectly balanced and have no rushed bases and extremely skillful. But not skillful enough for our TH8s to two star TH10s and our TH9s matched versus TH11s.

    We are undefeated in six months but will lose 7 in a row for sure.

    Guess the advice here is to stick to clan wars?

    GB

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    Youíre not going to lose 7 in a row. In Gold league youíll find many clans donít use all attacks (some use surprisingly few) and some donít even fill their enemy castles.

    Use strategy to maximize your medals (i.e., take hitups for one star with your lower halls and dip for three on your higher ones) and youíll undoubtedly win more wars than you lose. Gold is not a high league, your opponents are there for a reason (see above) so put your heads down, use some strategy, and enjoy your medals!

    And fyi, CWL has no impact on your regular war win streak so if youíre worried about that, donít be. Youíll still have it when CWL ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrGreenbearUK View Post
    So we’re in Gold League 1, our first clan war league attempt.
    That is definitely a bit high for the levels you have.

    By the time you get to gold 1, most players will be active, you will need total scores at least in the high 20s to win, more than that if a lot of your bottom bases are getting tripled.

    We’re perfectly balanced and have no rushed bases and extremely skillful. But not skillful enough for our TH8s to two star TH10s and our TH9s matched versus TH11s.

    We are undefeated in six months but will lose 7 in a row for sure.

    Guess the advice here is to stick to clan wars?

    GB
    No, the advice is to just accept that you may lose a lot at first. But after a couple of seasons, you should find yourselves in a tier where you have a fair chance.

    You do have to accept, regardless of tier and composition, that "undefeated for 6 months" just doesn't happen in CWL unless you are in the very top elite list who qualify for ESL every month.

    CWL is designed in such a way that every clan who is not completely maxed will at some stage reach an equilibrium point where they win roughly 50% of their wars. This can either be by finishing 3rd-4th in one tier every month, or by yo-yoing between two tiers, where you win 6-7 in the lower tier, then lose 6-7 in the higher tier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shepherdgirl View Post
    Youíre not going to lose 7 in a row. In Gold league youíll find many clans donít use all attacks (some use surprisingly few) and some donít even fill their enemy castles.

    Use strategy to maximize your medals (i.e., take hitups for one star with your lower halls and dip for three on your higher ones) and youíll undoubtedly win more wars than you lose. Gold is not a high league, your opponents are there for a reason (see above) so put your heads down, use some strategy, and enjoy your medals!

    And fyi, CWL has no impact on your regular war win streak so if youíre worried about that, donít be. Youíll still have it when CWL ends.
    Strategy would work if the spread from 1-15 were equally applied. But every other clan are MUCH heavier than ours in terms of defence and attack strength.

    Sounds as if itís because this is the first time weíve tried it.

    GB

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