Can we kill off engineer th13 now? Yes it’s possible for th13 to outweight th12

[Strat51]

It took me a while to calculate this using cocp.it

Do you have total heroes lvl of both clans?

All 30 bases combined for them was 3,745 hero levels.

All 30 bases combined for us was 3,862.

This really surprised me as they had 5 extra royal champs. However, its understandable because all their 10s had very low heroes as well as their 11s. However, due to their extra 13s it did not matter as they did a lot of dipping. They dipped 21 out of the possible 25 bases that could have been dipped and had a number of fails along the way as well.

I understand more why the mm matched us. Cannot say I agree with it though.

[joshsgrandad]

It took me a while to calculate this using cocp.it



All 30 bases combined for them was 3,745 hero levels.

All 30 bases combined for us was 3,862.

This really surprised me as they had 5 extra royal champs. However, its understandable because all their 10s had very low heroes as well as their 11s. However, due to their extra 13s it did not matter as they did a lot of dipping. They dipped 21 out of the possible 25 bases that could have been dipped and had a number of fails along the way as well.

I understand more why the mm matched us. Cannot say I agree with it though.

I tend to agree with you Strat51..
But reading through the threads, you will notice hero levels are almost always asked, as they do appear to have a major effect on war spins..

I would expect those here whom run mixed hall dont fully agree with how the system works..
But the reality is that the MMA does what it does..
It means maxer clans run with an on paper disadvantage in many cases.

A tight roster goes some way in preventing the skewed searches, but once a roster goes top heavy, then the rest of the accounts can often be rendered void with the search, and the opposition will be overpowering..

Not a perfect scenario for heavy clans that still run mixed roster..
But SC seem to tweak the MM with a specific purpose in mind (IMO)..
They seem to agree that war is won and lost at the top in most cases..
They also seem to promote account growth.

Can either reduce the top end accounts to allow the roster break down to affect the spin as a whole entity..
Or get busy pushing the lower accounts to catch up.

[2222]

Yep, we do have a a few th12s sitting at max. However, we are planning to do league wars in the future so we do need mostly max accounts for those. The two max 12s are funnily enough minis of 2 of our 13s, so they also don’t want to go to 13 for that reason as well.

I wish SC would add more to discriminate between a th12 and a rushed 13 because even a lvl10 royal champ and lvl1 scatters are enough to 3 star a max 12 with somewhat ease via some sort of spam and not be 3ed yourself by a 12.


However, I do see their point and it would make sense to them why they would not cater to our specific subset of clans running a lot of big hero bases. I just can’t believe that the mm can give a 4-5 th13 advantage and consider it fair, considering we run from 2-5 13s depending on the war.

Yeah those max halls that aren't th13s do put the matchmaker in a tough spot. If they match you up with another clan with the same number of th12s/13s, most likely you have an advantage because your th12s are max and their th12s are not. They look at it as an unfair match, they can't 3 star your max th12s, you are 3 starring their newer th12s, etc.

It took me a while to calculate this using cocp.it



All 30 bases combined for them was 3,745 hero levels.

All 30 bases combined for us was 3,862.

This really surprised me as they had 5 extra royal champs. However, its understandable because all their 10s had very low heroes as well as their 11s. However, due to their extra 13s it did not matter as they did a lot of dipping. They dipped 21 out of the possible 25 bases that could have been dipped and had a number of fails along the way as well.

I understand more why the mm matched us. Cannot say I agree with it though.

Definitely hero power is considered in the match. That wouldn't be the only reason you got the match you did, but it is part of the reason. It sort of goes along with those max th12s.

[samratulangi]

It took me a while to calculate this using cocp.it



All 30 bases combined for them was 3,745 hero levels.

All 30 bases combined for us was 3,862.

This really surprised me as they had 5 extra royal champs. However, its understandable because all their 10s had very low heroes as well as their 11s. However, due to their extra 13s it did not matter as they did a lot of dipping. They dipped 21 out of the possible 25 bases that could have been dipped and had a number of fails along the way as well.

I understand more why the mm matched us. Cannot say I agree with it though.

They will mostly dip, because they have in general lower heroes overall with higher TH, as expected