Can we kill off engineer th13 now? Yes it’s possible for th13 to outweight th12

[joshsgrandad]

There isnt much to discriminate between a 12 and 13 in the present game, so far as weights go..
These matches are going to continue to happen.

And it aint just the scattershots..
That RC is a powerful piece, even at the lower levels..
seems to me that anyone hanging around at 12 is simply asking for trouble at present..

Still disagree that they should be matching numbers of 13s with the spin tho..
The system is weighted, so those whom wish to continue to upgrade that last brick, given that the spins are going against them, should only be doing so with the knowledge that it isnt the best choice they could make for their clan mates.

[Strat51]

What is your clan tag id?

RisingLegacy #8CJCYYRC

[2222]

RisingLegacy #8CJCYYRC

I see a lot of wins, good job. If I go back quite a ways I see the two losses in a row, looks like the other clan had a couple more th13s. I doubt that is all that uncommon when clans run as many th13s as you do. It isn't likely to match exact.

[Thegreatpuma]

RisingLegacy #8CJCYYRC

YOu will want to consider Josh's advice - accounts sitting around at 12 will drag you down because SC views them as nearly equal to strong 13s. This will continue to be the case until SC fixes the matchmaker or the weights. We have told all our 12s to upgrade and buy the defenses. There is little reason not to. Hopefully SC sticks with this - if they decide to fix the issue we could have a rough ride coming up LOL

[joshsgrandad]

YOu will want to consider Josh's advice - accounts sitting around at 12 will drag you down because SC views them as nearly equal to strong 13s. This will continue to be the case until SC fixes the matchmaker or the weights. We have told all our 12s to upgrade and buy the defenses. There is little reason not to. Hopefully SC sticks with this - if they decide to fix the issue we could have a rough ride coming up LOL

There is so much rushing in the game now, and nothing to differentiate between a 12 and 13 IMV..
So even with the hall disparity, it doesnt necessarily mean the clan with 12s is at a disadvantage to the clan with more 13s..

Key defences make a difference. but only if there is sufficient overall defensive pieces of a suitable size present to allow it..
That overall defence of a suitable size makes a difference, but only if the wall levels allow it to do its job..

And even if the defence of the oppo is challenging, they dont get such a huge advantage with the offensive side, if the heroes are baby or just middling it..

Decent attackers.. Average and above, which probably describes most that post around these parts, would expect a dip to be an auto 3.. or consider it a big fail if that wasnt achieved..
In the real coc world, many of those rush jobs are way below par.. and much of the reason is heroes are a major contributor to the 3 star war raid..

Heroes and walls win wars.. And even tho walls dont overly affect an edrag attack, it can still be a good indicator as to the competence of the user behind that screen..
Maxers will always be at an on paper disadvantage, since most players jump before they are ready..
But if that maxer has taken the time to learn to hit at the level, then the hall disparity is already bridged in most cases..

Reading a book by its cover has been proven to be a little misleading over and over..

But I also agree with Puma (and myself I guess lol).. If youre upset by your spin results, why continue to spin in the same way?

As a pre warning before jumping tho..
I rejoined my old clan.. Maxer.. Big bases (for hall), big heroes..
The war draws are challenging..

But I already warned them.. With our halls and our roster break down, the spins will likely tend to be the same..
Our accounts and our spread doesnt allow the MMA to do much except match us with similar..

We are at a bit disparity this war, but am expecting them to be more rush jobs, with heroes not fit for purpose..
Am suggesting those that are seeing a big hall swing against them in weighted war to be seeing much the same.

[Strat51]

YOu will want to consider Josh's advice - accounts sitting around at 12 will drag you down because SC views them as nearly equal to strong 13s. This will continue to be the case until SC fixes the matchmaker or the weights. We have told all our 12s to upgrade and buy the defenses. There is little reason not to. Hopefully SC sticks with this - if they decide to fix the issue we could have a rough ride coming up LOL

Yep, we do have a a few th12s sitting at max. However, we are planning to do league wars in the future so we do need mostly max accounts for those. The two max 12s are funnily enough minis of 2 of our 13s, so they also don’t want to go to 13 for that reason as well.

I wish SC would add more to discriminate between a th12 and a rushed 13 because even a lvl10 royal champ and lvl1 scatters are enough to 3 star a max 12 with somewhat ease via some sort of spam and not be 3ed yourself by a 12.


However, I do see their point and it would make sense to them why they would not cater to our specific subset of clans running a lot of big hero bases. I just can’t believe that the mm can give a 4-5 th13 advantage and consider it fair, considering we run from 2-5 13s depending on the war.

[samratulangi]

Yep, we do have a a few th12s sitting at max. However, we are planning to do league wars in the future so we do need mostly max accounts for those. The two max 12s are funnily enough minis of 2 of our 13s, so they also don’t want to go to 13 for that reason as well.

I wish SC would add more to discriminate between a th12 and a rushed 13 because even a lvl10 royal champ and lvl1 scatters are enough to 3 star a max 12 with somewhat ease via some sort of spam and not be 3ed yourself by a 12.


However, I do see their point and it would make sense to them why they would not cater to our specific subset of clans running a lot of big hero bases. I just can’t believe that the mm can give a 4-5 th13 advantage and consider it fair, considering we run from 2-5 13s depending on the war.

Let say SC can not find exact number of th13 and 12 to yours to match, so it is ok for you to match lower th12, while not accepting when match early th13?

[joshsgrandad]

There is so much rushing in the game now, and nothing to differentiate between a 12 and 13 IMV..
So even with the hall disparity, it doesnt necessarily mean the clan with 12s is at a disadvantage to the clan with more 13s..

Reading a book by its cover has been proven to be a little misleading over and over..

We are at a bit disparity this war, but am expecting them to be more rush jobs, with heroes not fit for purpose..
Am suggesting those that are seeing a big hall swing against them in weighted war to be seeing much the same.

Just to follow on from this (and we arent heavy on the 13s, so disparity will never be huge)..

That last war I suggested as being "not the norm" for our roster..
They were more rush jobs..
Competent attackers could have mainly dipped to victory, as I in particular had a bad day..
But they attacked twice all day for a total of 2 stars..

War is rarely lost on prep day, unless you allow it.

[Strat51]

Let say SC can not find exact number of th13 and 12 to yours to match, so it is ok for you to match lower th12, while not accepting when match early th13?

I would be fine if we get a 1-2 th13 disadvantage, as I definitely understand the mm may have a tough time of it. However, when the opposing clan has 4-5 extra 13s I question the mm. Why do they have a th13 with both scatters at the #10 spot when at our #10 spot we have a new th12 with not even a max th.

The breakdowns of the war that most frustrated me was us at 5/7/11/7 and them at 10/4/7/9

This was just the extreme of a constant issue. I can understand our 2 max 12s marching early 13. I cannot understand our semi max 12s without max defenses, walls, troops or heroes matching 13s that maxed th12 except for a few walls and maybe mortars. That is what I find issue with

[samratulangi]

I would be fine if we get a 1-2 th13 disadvantage, as I definitely understand the mm may have a tough time of it. However, when the opposing clan has 4-5 extra 13s I question the mm. Why do they have a th13 with both scatters at the #10 spot when at our #10 spot we have a new th12 with not even a max th.

The breakdowns of the war that most frustrated me was us at 5/7/11/7 and them at 10/4/7/9

This was just the extreme of a constant issue. I can understand our 2 max 12s marching early 13. I cannot understand our semi max 12s without max defenses, walls, troops or heroes matching 13s that maxed th12 except for a few walls and maybe mortars. That is what I find issue with

Do you have total heroes lvl of both clans?