CWL one year retrospective…has the dust settled?

[joshsgrandad]

Thanks to everyone who shared observations.

re: “dust settled” i was trying to keep the phrasing of the question as general as possible to get a wide variety of perspectives.

One thing that jumped out at me while reading everyone’s comments…do you think the quality of play would be improved if there was a restriction on adding abandoned bases to the war map? If, for instance, any account that has not been logged into for X days could not be added.

I think your choice of wording was good, for the reason you stated.. It gave rise to allow for differing interpretation.. So nice one for that.
Once the thread gathers pace, it tends to meander often anyway, as someone enters something key into the discussion.

As for using dead/dormant bases.. I think it adds another dimension to the strategy.
I/we have almost always used at least one "dummy" base in our daily roster.. After all, a base that can defend is better than one that can neither defend nor attack efficiently.
I dont feel it adds anything negative for the other clans in the group, as all clans will be facing it, and it negatively impacts on your own scoring at worst, since it is a non offence account.

I don't know if it would make a huge difference, but I do think it would be an improvement. Clans that are intentionally adding in dead bases just because they present a strong defense would be forced to add actual active players, maybe lower halls, and would be more properly matched.

I dont see how it would make any improvement, for the reasons I give above.
Not all clans have the membership to remain competitive in their highest possible tier without employing some roster strategy.
Those dummy base additions will at least go some way towards preventing the opposition attacks.. So it is a viable give and take roster strat.

At the end of the day, a clan must strategise to settle in as high of a tier as possible.. So just because there are inactive clans that carry big accounts in the lower tiers, it shouldnt give rise to undermining those more active clans from plugging a gap the best way they see fit.

[Mercfovia87]

Started in Master League III, now my clan is in Master League I.

The dust has settled in my opinion for the Master League. Now we are almost certain of facing opponent with 15 TH12, and sometimes 1 or 2 TH11. And skill do matters a lot here, my clan can feel the difference of opponent skills during promotion or demotion months. With the total skills of my clanmates, I think it would be difficult for us to breakthrough Master League I. In fact it's going to be more and more difficult each month due to the everyone's progress.

I don't know if it would make a huge difference, but I do think it would be an improvement. Clans that are intentionally adding in dead bases just because they present a strong defense would be forced to add actual active players, maybe lower halls, and would be more properly matched.

I agree with LunaEclipse and 2222 here, this may helps the CWL struggle of clans in Cyrstal and Gold leagues that really want to move up.

[DR5649]

I agree with all...but i feel that mismatching to hard..
Because i have 15 account...1 th12, 6 th9, 2 th8, 6 th7 but i have find present time cwl opponents..all th 12 or 10 or 9...
In 15 vs 15 war...how my th7 attack th 10 or 9 with lvl2 dragon...here is no any option to use any attacks on opponents base...

[joshsgrandad]

I agree with all...but i feel that mismatching to hard..
Because i have 15 account...1 th12, 6 th9, 2 th8, 6 th7 but i have find present time cwl opponents..all th 12 or 10 or 9...
In 15 vs 15 war...how my th7 attack th 10 or 9 with lvl2 dragon...here is no any option to use any attacks on opponents base...

It is an unweighted performance based ladder system. The tier you play in each season is determined by how you perform in the previous one.
But that performance is governed by a mix of growth, skill, and organisation.
Since it is unweighted, the clan can put out any roster they choose.
It is unfortunate for those that dont have the base progression.. but it is not the responsibility of the opposition, nor SC, to guarantee a hit for anyone that is undersized for the tier mate.

[Skrags]

The thing for us, and am sure is the same for many clans, is that we usually win 6 wars but don’t move up. We’ll have a few no shows and sub them out, then start rotating everyone with 8 stars out and switch smaller ths in. Keeps everyone with their share of medals and plenty of bonuses for the smaller guys that struggle. Is only about medals and nothing else, and the best way to capitalize on those is to settle in where your entire clan benefits the most.

I think this is a good strategy. Unless a clan wants to be ultra competitive, ie Champs league 15v15, then having your whole clan enjoying CWL, and ultimately reaping the medals benefits throughout, can only help your clan in the long term.

Every clan (and leaders) will have a different view on what's best for their clan of course, but finding the right balance in enjoying CWL can only be a good thing for many clans out there.
Good for you!

[2222]

Upto master 1, its about who has more max th12 in Line Up.

Champ 3 and above filters clan based on skill.

Having more th12s is definitely an advantage, but skill plays a role as well. After all, my own clan was recently promoted to Masters1 despite not having all th12s and facing clans that have all th12s. There also were some wars where we faced clans that didn’t have all th12s who beat us too.

I dont see how it would make any improvement, for the reasons I give above.
Not all clans have the membership to remain competitive in their highest possible tier without employing some roster strategy.
Those dummy base additions will at least go some way towards preventing the opposition attacks.. So it is a viable give and take roster strat.

At the end of the day, a clan must strategise to settle in as high of a tier as possible.. So just because there are inactive clans that carry big accounts in the lower tiers, it shouldnt give rise to undermining those more active clans from plugging a gap the best way they see fit.

I don’t believe using dead bases just so they put up a strong defense is a good strategy to be allowed in the game. Some th8 shouldn’t have to go a war without getting any stars/medals because some other clan doesn’t have 15 players. They should replace their inactive players with active players or go to another clan. That isn’t a strategy I support allowing to continue.

[Tosti111]

I have to disagree with you 2222. If you dont believe a clan should be able to put in high TH as a defensive filler then what happens if we turn it around? Shouldnt we also say that it isnt fair that a clan puts in a defensively weak filler to make their 15 because it allows too many easy stars for their opponents? Fillers have always been part of the war scene because of the mandatory war sizes proscribed by SC and with good reason. It also opens up a whole debate about what qualifies as a filler. No attacks? 1 poor attack? A cheap barch attack?

I do agree though that the best world has every clan with full active members and where possible, attempt to get there if they dont. That isnt always the case for every clan though.

[joshsgrandad]

I don’t believe using dead bases just so they put up a strong defense is a good strategy to be allowed in the game. Some th8 shouldn’t have to go a war without getting any stars/medals because some other clan doesn’t have 15 players. They should replace their inactive players with active players or go to another clan. That isn’t a strategy I support allowing to continue.

Sorry mate, but I still disagree.
We are on the road towards weighted matching, with your argument, or a step away from capped halls within the tiers.

I believe you use whatever you got.. If a guy cant make the war (not dead, but inactive for that time), then he still gains medals, so why not use the base.

Maybe we need to define "dead base".. But I think that for once we will end up on opposite sides of the fence this time.

Silly as it may sound, we are at discussing a difference of opinion in something that doesnt make a great deal of difference to either one of us.. I may use a dormant base, but it doesnt provide an overwhelming advantage with the tier I am in.. In your case, using that base would likely be a distinct disadvantage.

As an edit.. I am amazed you would shut down a clan over this.. absolutely amazed.
CWL is about base progression.. As I stated in a previous post, it is neither up to the opposition, nor SC, to provide a hit for someone that hasnt progressed sufficiently.

[Ajax]

Having more th12s is definitely an advantage, but skill plays a role as well. After all, my own clan was recently promoted to Masters1 despite not having all th12s and facing clans that have all th12s. There also were some wars where we faced clans that didn’t have all th12s who beat us too.



I don’t believe using dead bases just so they put up a strong defense is a good strategy to be allowed in the game. Some th8 shouldn’t have to go a war without getting any stars/medals because some other clan doesn’t have 15 players. They should replace their inactive players with active players or go to another clan. That isn’t a strategy I support allowing to continue.

I disagree very strongly with this.

I don't know how you propose stopping it, but I cannot think of any way of doing so which would not have significant negative consequences.

And since IMO it is not really an issue at all, ANY negative consequence would be worse.

[2222]

I disagree very strongly with this.

I don't know how you propose stopping it, but I cannot think of any way of doing so which would not have significant negative consequences.

And since IMO it is not really an issue at all, ANY negative consequence would be worse.

There would have to be a definition of what a dead base is. Is it inactive for 30 days? A week? It would need to be something reasonable like that and once you cross that line you have a war timer that prevents you from being put into league wars until you become active again. What significant negative consequences do you anticipate if clans aren't allowed to use dead accounts in clan war league anymore? Global was filled with people the last few days asking to join a clan to take part. It isn't hard to fill in with actual players.

I'm also interested in why you think it is no issue at all. Players complain that it sucks the fun out of the game when their low halls are matching clans using dead th11/12 bases because they can't get stars to get medals. It is an issue for them. How often this happens so how big of an issue it is I don't know, I don't have experience playing that low. Either way, though, I don't think CWL was meant to be a clan using dead accounts and whether it was or wasn't, in my opinion it shouldn't be that way.