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    War listing...

    If our clan is all 100% maxed th12-5 bases, what lists us from 1 to ? (5, 10, 15, 20, etc)? Does anyone really know?

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    SC does but hasn’t said.




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    From experience I've notice its off of the players exp lvl next. When my husband and i was both maxed th9 he was always before me and the only difference between the two of us was exp lvl. Now at th10 we have the same ww again but I'm ahead of him finally and the only difference is our exp lvl again.

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    Many moons ago, one of the Mods posted that it was to do with 'data shards' , which may or may not move depending on server changes.
    I assume this info came from one of the SC staff at some point.

    In my experience, there's no definitive reason for same base map placing, as I've seen it change myself.
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    I don't understand why players create a post like this everyday... guys use the search function!! No one but SC know exactly how it is calculated..

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshsgrandad View Post
    Wow Onyx. Impressive words.
    Basically, start with a pin and a blindfold, write the list on a scrap of paper, then sometimes lose the scrap of paper?
    �������� Got to love a ‘technical’ explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFireDragon View Post
    🤣🤣🤣🤣 Got to love a ‘technical’ explanation.
    And for those that don't like the technical version - It can be easier to look at the situation from the viewpoint of the little pixies and imps that sit inside the computers and servers doing all the work...

    Picture for the moment the server: a nightmarish jungle in 3 dimensions of thousands or millions of pixies chained(*1) to their desks working on their one specific task (*2) over and over again, linked by a labyrinth of message pipes and conveyors.
    (*1) yes really. It's a cruel world out there.
    (*2) Many pixies are frankly a bit dim. It's necessary to give some of them a very simple task that they can just repeat over and over.


    Zoom in now on one particular pixie. Her proper name is "warServer.startWarSearch(clanTag)", but we'll call her Alice. Alice is one of the pixies trusted to man the front desk, metaphorically speaking, for the war system. She receives the requests to start a war search - each time a clan starts search the message pipe on the left of her desk spits out another scroll of parchment with a small whoosh of air.

    Once Alice has unrolled the request and unread it, the first job is to check it is a valid request, that the clan exists and so on(*3). We can skip over the details of this. But once Alice is satisfied the request is genuine and should be acted upon, the next task is to fix the roster for the war. For this she will need to retrieve information about the clan and players. All the data is stored in a separate building, usually just known as "The Oracle". So she hurriedly writes a data request on a fresh sheet of parchment, rolls it up and pushes it into one of the other message tubes on her desk, where it whizzes away...
    (*3) Some humans seem to think it is a jolly jape to try and send corrupt messages or request for clans that don't exist into the system. The pixies don't see the humour in this.

    If we follow this little parchment, just a moment later it drops onto the desk of one of the worker imps sitting in
    the Worker Pool (as it's known) in the Oracle who are tasked with dealing with incoming requests. The Pool is a large, echoing chamber with rows of identical desks. This imp just has a number rather than a name, but we'll call him Bob. Bob first unrolls the parchment, reads the request and decides the best way of assembling the data. In this case he is asked for the list of players in descending war weight order. First he needs the list of players, so he grabs his little blackboard(*4) notes down the clan tag and goes scurrying away.
    (*4) parchment and ink is expensive. For temporary work, chalk is used. The clouds of chalk dust that build up aren't great for the health of the pixies - which is why there is such a large fan on the side of most pixie work-places, to blow clean air through.

    His first destination is the Tabularium of clan members. Picture Bob scurrying down the main corridor with aisles of shelves stretching off into the distance on each side. Finally he comes to the aisle for clan tags starting #PV. He quickly looks up the 14 shelves to find the one for #PVR clans, scampers up the holds carved into the end of the bookshelf, and then runs along the shelf itself, until he comes to the ledger for the clan itself. He pulls this out, wipes off the chalk dust, and starts copying names from the ledger to his chalkboard. Of course, since the clan has been around some time, the ledger is full of crossings out and names added in here and there. But being a diligent imp he starts at the beginning systematically noting down every name and player tag.

    And now the real work begins... he needs to dash around the tabularium of players finding the record scroll for every single one, and noting their war weight on his chalkboard beside their name. It's probably best if we fast forward to the point where Bob finally - wheezing slightly - stumbles back into his chair and can put his now filled chalkboard on his desk. Fortunately he can do the rest of this job sitting down and get his breath back.

    The request is for the list of players in descending weight order. So he pulls out a fresh sheet of parchment and looks down his chalkboard for the largest war weight beside a player name, and finds 5 that say 110000. So being methodical, like all imps, he starts at the top, copying them one at a time to the parchment and rubbing them off his chalkboard. And he repeats for the next largest weight until all names are on the parchment; which he then curls up and fires his Ink-and-Parchment(*5) message containing the roster back to Alice.
    (*5) Usually abbreviated "IP". And when sent over Tubes-Connecting-Pixies the entire system is referred to as TCP/IP.

    Now Alice can see the list is in descending order, but pixies are not very enquiring and she never really stops to ponder why the 5 listed at the top appear in the order they did (*6). But if she did ever get curious and go and knock on the portal of the Oracle building at the end of her shift to ask why they were listed as they were, she'd probably just get the answer "Wot? If you wonted 'em in a particular order you shud of sed"
    (*6) Well, she wouldn't really have time anyway - requests are arriving on her desk at the rate of about 10 per second.

    And to answer the question fully it's not enough to just watch what Bob does. We need to look at the front of the Pool chamber at the overseer standing at a raised lectern observing all that goes on. We'll call him Larry. And being Management, Larry is very keen on efficiency drives - efficiency is after all crucial when there is so much work to be done.

    Every so often Larry will observe an imp scurrying around the player records getting war weights and decide that if maybe the clan ledgers were re-ordered so that consecutive names were close together in the player Tabularium an imp would have less scurrying to do. Or, perhaps the player Tabularium could be reorganised so all the most commonly needed player records were up one end. Larry's reorganisations are legendary. With every single imp busy rewriting entire shelves of data, or frantically re-organising according to the latest policy, there have been occasions when no meaningful work was done for whole milliseconds.

    Thus, although if you ask Bob to produce the list several times, he will probably send back the exact same list each time, to fully understand why it is in that order it would be necessary to know all about Larry's latest efficiency policy, to discover the exact order records were restored after the Great Crash of 636361056947623457.34 (*7), whether that clan's ledger had been tidied up since then and more. It's not somewhere a sane mind should go.
    (*7) A nano-second based calendar does make for some rather large numbers.

    So in the end, "If you wonted 'em in a particular order you shud of sed" is probably as good an answer as we'll get. If it had mattered the pixie-trainers in Helsinki would have told Alice to ask for the clan members in a particular order and it would have been done. As if by magic. Since they didn't, then the order is what it is.

    I hope that clears that up
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnyxDS View Post
    And for those that don't like the technical version - It can be easier to look at the situation from the viewpoint of the little pixies and imps that sit inside the computers and servers doing all the work...

    Picture for the moment the server: a nightmarish jungle in 3 dimensions of thousands or millions of pixies chained(*1) to their desks working on their one specific task (*2) over and over again, linked by a labyrinth of message pipes and conveyors.
    (*1) yes really. It's a cruel world out there.
    (*2) Many pixies are frankly a bit dim. It's necessary to give some of them a very simple task that they can just repeat over and over.


    Zoom in now on one particular pixie. Her proper name is "warServer.startWarSearch(clanTag)", but we'll call her Alice. Alice is one of the pixies trusted to man the front desk, metaphorically speaking, for the war system. She receives the requests to start a war search - each time a clan starts search the message pipe on the left of her desk spits out another scroll of parchment with a small whoosh of air.

    Once Alice has unrolled the request and unread it, the first job is to check it is a valid request, that the clan exists and so on(*3). We can skip over the details of this. But once Alice is satisfied the request is genuine and should be acted upon, the next task is to fix the roster for the war. For this she will need to retrieve information about the clan and players. All the data is stored in a separate building, usually just known as "The Oracle". So she hurriedly writes a data request on a fresh sheet of parchment, rolls it up and pushes it into one of the other message tubes on her desk, where it whizzes away...
    (*3) Some humans seem to think it is a jolly jape to try and send corrupt messages or request for clans that don't exist into the system. The pixies don't see the humour in this.

    If we follow this little parchment, just a moment later it drops onto the desk of one of the worker imps sitting in
    the Worker Pool (as it's known) in the Oracle who are tasked with dealing with incoming requests. The Pool is a large, echoing chamber with rows of identical desks. This imp just has a number rather than a name, but we'll call him Bob. Bob first unrolls the parchment, reads the request and decides the best way of assembling the data. In this case he is asked for the list of players in descending war weight order. First he needs the list of players, so he grabs his little blackboard(*4) notes down the clan tag and goes scurrying away.
    (*4) parchment and ink is expensive. For temporary work, chalk is used. The clouds of chalk dust that build up aren't great for the health of the pixies - which is why there is such a large fan on the side of most pixie work-places, to blow clean air through.

    His first destination is the Tabularium of clan members. Picture Bob scurrying down the main corridor with aisles of shelves stretching off into the distance on each side. Finally he comes to the aisle for clan tags starting #PV. He quickly looks up the 14 shelves to find the one for #PVR clans, scampers up the holds carved into the end of the bookshelf, and then runs along the shelf itself, until he comes to the ledger for the clan itself. He pulls this out, wipes off the chalk dust, and starts copying names from the ledger to his chalkboard. Of course, since the clan has been around some time, the ledger is full of crossings out and names added in here and there. But being a diligent imp he starts at the beginning systematically noting down every name and player tag.

    And now the real work begins... he needs to dash around the tabularium of players finding the record scroll for every single one, and noting their war weight on his chalkboard beside their name. It's probably best if we fast forward to the point where Bob finally - wheezing slightly - stumbles back into his chair and can put his now filled chalkboard on his desk. Fortunately he can do the rest of this job sitting down and get his breath back.

    The request is for the list of players in descending weight order. So he pulls out a fresh sheet of parchment and looks down his chalkboard for the largest war weight beside a player name, and finds 5 that say 110000. So being methodical, like all imps, he starts at the top, copying them one at a time to the parchment and rubbing them off his chalkboard. And he repeats for the next largest weight until all names are on the parchment; which he then curls up and fires his Ink-and-Parchment(*5) message containing the roster back to Alice.
    (*5) Usually abbreviated "IP". And when sent over Tubes-Connecting-Pixies the entire system is referred to as TCP/IP.

    Now Alice can see the list is in descending order, but pixies are not very enquiring and she never really stops to ponder why the 5 listed at the top appear in the order they did (*6). But if she did ever get curious and go and knock on the portal of the Oracle building at the end of her shift to ask why they were listed as they were, she'd probably just get the answer "Wot? If you wonted 'em in a particular order you shud of sed"
    (*6) Well, she wouldn't really have time anyway - requests are arriving on her desk at the rate of about 10 per second.

    And to answer the question fully it's not enough to just watch what Bob does. We need to look at the front of the Pool chamber at the overseer standing at a raised lectern observing all that goes on. We'll call him Larry. And being Management, Larry is very keen on efficiency drives - efficiency is after all crucial when there is so much work to be done.

    Every so often Larry will observe an imp scurrying around the player records getting war weights and decide that if maybe the clan ledgers were re-ordered so that consecutive names were close together in the player Tabularium an imp would have less scurrying to do. Or, perhaps the player Tabularium could be reorganised so all the most commonly needed player records were up one end. Larry's reorganisations are legendary. With every single imp busy rewriting entire shelves of data, or frantically re-organising according to the latest policy, there have been occasions when no meaningful work was done for whole milliseconds.

    Thus, although if you ask Bob to produce the list several times, he will probably send back the exact same list each time, to fully understand why it is in that order it would be necessary to know all about Larry's latest efficiency policy, to discover the exact order records were restored after the Great Crash of 636361056947623457.34 (*7), whether that clan's ledger had been tidied up since then and more. It's not somewhere a sane mind should go.
    (*7) A nano-second based calendar does make for some rather large numbers.

    So in the end, "If you wonted 'em in a particular order you shud of sed" is probably as good an answer as we'll get. If it had mattered the pixie-trainers in Helsinki would have told Alice to ask for the clan members in a particular order and it would have been done. As if by magic. Since they didn't, then the order is what it is.

    I hope that clears that up
    HaHa Onyx.. Of all the masterpieces you have produced, this has to rate amongst the best.

    Sadly, I could picture Alice and Bob as I read thru.

    PS.. At least now I know what that fan on the side of my hard drive is for now.

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    It may be who joined the clan first in the case of having equal war weights.

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    brilliant Onyx! now if we could only staple that story to the inner eyelids of everyone who asks that question.

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