Clan stats...CWL doesn’t count

[dayone]

Oh dear!

I can't believe that people are so gullible as to believe that CWL wars have a different result pattern from Classic wars, there is a winner and a loser so "statistically" there will always be a 50/50 split between winning and losing irrespective of the method that is used to match.
Some clans are better and some worse hence matchmaking in Classic which is supposed to have clans of a similar level against each other and CWL where matching over time should place clans in a league where they meet similar levels of opposing clans.

My fair play clan is pretty good at war. We have a 632-172-8 record in normal wars and just went 0 for 7 in cwl and finished in 8th place. Theres no way in heck I want those 7 losses in my war log since we never stood a chance at even winning one of those wars.

You guys have fun but this was our last cwl for a long loooong time, possibly ever.

[2222]

Oh dear!

I can't believe that people are so gullible as to believe that CWL wars have a different result pattern from Classic wars, there is a winner and a loser so "statistically" there will always be a 50/50 split between winning and losing irrespective of the method that is used to match.
Some clans are better and some worse hence matchmaking in Classic which is supposed to have clans of a similar level against each other and CWL where matching over time should place clans in a league where they meet similar levels of opposing clans.

You totally missed the point. The point is in CWL if the ladder system is properly functioning your clan will win only 50% no matter how good or bad it is, making the wins/losses meaningless and, perhaps more important, ruining the war records of clans that are good at regular war.

[Armageddon3223]

My fair play clan is pretty good at war. We have a 632-172-8 record in normal wars and just went 0 for 7 in cwl and finished in 8th place. Theres no way in heck I want those 7 losses in my war log since we never stood a chance at even winning one of those wars.

You guys have fun but this was our last cwl for a long loooong time, possibly ever.

You guys will dominate in the next cwl. Believe me! 😉

[Warios]

Oh dear!

I can't believe that people are so gullible as to believe that CWL wars have a different result pattern from Classic wars, there is a winner and a loser so "statistically" there will always be a 50/50 split between winning and losing irrespective of the method that is used to match.
Some clans are better and some worse hence matchmaking in Classic which is supposed to have clans of a similar level against each other and CWL where matching over time should place clans in a league where they meet similar levels of opposing clans.

In classic wars, each war you are matched with a similar strength clan, if the match maker is doing a proper job. Now if you have 2 clans that are the same strength the clan with better skills will prevail as the winner of the war. The next time you spin a classic war, you are again matched with a similar strength opponent and the better skilled clan will win, this just repeats.

In CWL wars, there is no matching, you face 7 other clans in your tier. Unless you are a clan that runs 15 max th12's eventually you will plateau and settle in one of the tiers with on average a 50/50 win rate.

I am not gullible, but i can see the difference in the two war formats. Yes in random spins the server over all win rate is 50% , but some clans will have a 60% win rate some will have a 40% win rate, but there is a difference between the 2 formats.

[dayone]

You guys will dominate in the next cwl. Believe me! 

And then what? Get promoted to a higher league just to get destroyed again? No thank you.

When SC's system dictates that you should 'expect to lose half your wars', I think theres a problem with their system.

Losing isnt fun.

[XCdude96]

Was just looking at our clan stats and noticed CWL wars are not being factored in. That seems a bit odd to me. Each war fought is an actual war, after all; I would think clan stats would update. Even if war win streak is kept separate, wars won should reflect CWL and classic CW wars both. I would think it to be especially important as more clans start competing just in CWLs and not running classic CWs (which I know of many that are doing just that).

War records are overrated IMO. Yes, a clan WANTS to win all the time, but if they don't, does that make them a bad clan?

We're dominating in CWL, maxing out in clan games, and have stayed a clan, despite our horrendous war record. War records should NOT define a clan.

Also, because of the mismatching, CWL wars should not affect the war records of a clan.

[Crusher0029]

You totally missed the point. The point is in CWL if the ladder system is properly functioning your clan will win only 50% no matter how good or bad it is, making the wins/losses meaningless and, perhaps more important, ruining the war records of clans that are good at regular war.

Really? And can you tell me what the war matching algorithm is supposed to achieve?
And if a clan is bad how is it supposed to achieve 50% wins?
Protecting clans win/loss record?

Complacency is the breeder of mediocrity.

[dmoore1998]

Really? And can you tell me what the war matching algorithm is supposed to achieve?
And if a clan is bad how is it supposed to achieve 50% wins?
Protecting clans win/loss record?

Complacency is the breeder of mediocrity.

Regular war matching algorithm is meant to achieve a similar base and offensive strength, and let you battle it out while matching similar overall strengths.

CWL doesn't do that at all. CWL puts you in a tier, which if done properly, will put you with people who taking all of that other stuff into account, AND whether you use attacks, your skill level, etc...will be matched up "evenly" with so that you can expect overall about a 50/50 record if everyone is trying.

If a clan is bad, they achieve 50% of wins by moving down, facing weaker and weaker clans until they hit the point they win 50% roughly.

[dmoore1998]

And then what? Get promoted to a higher league just to get destroyed again? No thank you.

When SC's system dictates that you should 'expect to lose half your wars', I think theres a problem with their system.

Losing isnt fun.

If losing isn't fun...and you apparently want to win more than half your wars...who will lose all those wars you win?

[2222]

Really? And can you tell me what the war matching algorithm is supposed to achieve?
And if a clan is bad how is it supposed to achieve 50% wins?
Protecting clans win/loss record?

Complacency is the breeder of mediocrity.

I don’t understand what you are saying.

As Dmoore said, the regular war match maker is meant to try to make skill be the factor that determines who wins or loses.

CWL is NOT at all like that. CWL is designed to have everyone win around 50% of the time, no matter how skilled they are. How does a clan win 50% if they are unskilled? They drop down the CWL ladder where they have more power than their opponents and they can win despite their lack of skill. If we take out the intentional losing/tanking/sandbagging issues that are currently present, that is exactly how it is supposed to work. The clan trying their best is going to win about 50% over the long term no matter how skilled or unskilled they are.

Is there something there you don’t agree with?

And then what? Get promoted to a higher league just to get destroyed again? No thank you.

When SC's system dictates that you should 'expect to lose half your wars', I think theres a problem with their system.

Losing isnt fun.

Then regular war may suit you better. The “win” for CWL isn’t winning each war individually, it is seeing how high you can push up. That is the goal and that goal is very unlike regular wars where the win/loss record is the goal. (That also is why there is a problem with the current reward system in CWL which rewards wins/stars and causes clans to intentionally play lower to get more medals, but that is a discussion for another thread.)