Update on the New Loot System

[Megamatt]

Yes I've noticed more loot at 300k gold and elixir.

[hastur]

Could you explain how it is going to get better?

With the new system

- People are spending more elixir on armies and spells since we need to take on better bases we need stronger troops.
- People are spending more gold on traps since there are more full raids.
- People are spending more DE on armies to take on stronger bases
- Less gold/elixir is added due to league bonus since people are doing less frequent big raids rather than lots of quick ones
- Less gold/elixir is added due to league bonus since people are dropping down to gold to avoid getting raided for 350-400k

All these things take loot out of the system while nothing has been added to counter it and add more loot. Weather loot mores in 10,000 lots of 100k or 5,000 lots of 200k the result is the same since it is just going from one account to another. The only thing that will change loot is if more is introduced into circulation.

We need an increase in league bonus as this will fix so many issues, L12 collectors would also help but will only address the loot issue.

Super Cell keep saying give it time which is true in most patches (more people checking on bases and empting collectors straight after a patch) but unless someone can explain why, this just won’t be the case here. As time goes on it is more likely more people will get feed up with being raided for 350-400k and will stop logging out over a mil in their storages reducing those good raids.

I'm happy to be the exception, but I can honestly say that I have increased my TH9's trophy count, to get a better league bonus and get out of the farming wastelands, and I'm using the same armies I've been using for ages now. In fact, I'm actually using BAM more, so on average I'd say my army costs have gone down, as has my spell use because I use BAM with zero spells. And despite offering 350k of each and 2.5k DE to most raiders over the last week, I have yet to be raided for more than 200k of each and 2.2k DE, which is fine, that's one good raid to make back, most raiders get nowhere near that amount.

My TH7 is getting close to maxed out, but I can still raid for a couple of hours, save what's needed, then spend it and log off with not much left over. I still use BAM, or BAG, exclusively.

So the only item you mention above, that is relevant to me, is the traps - they are, indeed, another gold sink. No-one is making us upgrade them, though.

People will adjust, in their own sweet time, in their own sweet ways.

[InvaderGir]

(Made another post about this in the other loot changes threat. Page 128, 129, something like that.)

Had to skip the morning raid to stay under a shield. 300,000 gold had vanished in the night, and it vexed me. At lunchtime I found a town carrying 300,000 gold. So I'd caught up. Normally I'm ahead by now but hey, my Town Hall 8 is under construction for 9, so I can expect some difficulty. I have max loot and no x-bows, couldn't be more inviting if my village had a steak dinner and a stripper.

Everyone's talking about the loot system, but I wish they'd give a 4-hour shield if you lose 100,000gold. The first guy kills my barbarian king, clan castle troops, and springs all my traps. We stop him but not before he gets away with 160,000 gold. "Victory." Then someone happens upon my Barbarian Kingless, Trap-free village and loots it for 160,000. 320,000 gone, since lunch. However will I get that back?

Well, in four raids it turns out. I raided five times today, each one between 265,000 gold and 321,000 gold. And now I sit atop 3.1 million, 300,000 of which will be gone by morning. Matters not, I have 1 week to reach the maximum of six million. (Nothing left to spend gold on. NOTHING.)

It's the elixir and dark elixir that concern me. I'm actually trying to spend it faster than they can take it, because there is nothing I can do to stop those level 6 troops from rolling in and taking 1500 de from me--except to have that keep happening so sure enough, in a few days I've lost 10,000 Dark Lunch Money to others. And I thought the Lightning was bad.

As for regular elixir, now that it fuels armies AND spells it's far more difficult to recover the elixir losses than gold losses. Even using dark elixir troops to save elixir, I've only gained about 100,000 elixir today. That's not on-pace with my goal of raising 2.8 million more elixir in the next week.

We shall see what unfolds with this new system. Maybe it'll settle, maybe it won't. Maybe players will rage-quit. And when they do I will reap the 675,000 gold from their mines. (Be a dear and put them away from your defenses before you leave, OK? Elixir is hard to come by these days, I'd hate to waste a whole army on someone who isn't playing.)

[Megacolor]

I've been trying to find a base with good loot. Its a lot harder now to find any kind of loot. Thanks for nothing super cell. WOW!! THIS SUX!!!!! NEW LOOT System SUX!!! Not going to play COC any more.

Also my DE is being raided because its always showing 2000 + is available. Now its a lot harder to save up DE for updating King and Queen.

[tonjerfita]

very reassuring, hope it follows through.

[Groovy]

Higher TH levels are crushing lower TH
So far there is no data to support this. The amount of attacks on lower TH and the amount of average loot stolen from lower TH by higher THs has not changed since the update. Attacks tend to peak on the weekends and we believe this perception comes from an overall increase in activity and not a new or different pattern than we are used to.

Not only am i attacked instantly now by th10 (its Tuesday I'm th9 was just attacked again
by th10 instantly after logging out for dinner) but the average take from me has jumped
from about 150/150 to 320/320 and the same increased ouch on dark elixer

since the update my elixir storage has GONE DOWN. im going backwards.
because I simply can't attack enough now because of real life commitments
to counter the increased defends. If i break a shield Im instantly attacked by th10.
that never used to happen. It happens now because they can get 320/320
( or more if collectors or mines are filled right before i get up in the morning)

They used to attack other th10 now my th9 is sooooo sweet to go after. lol
How did supercell not see this? Of course th10 is gonna attack down to th9
for easy win AND NOW great loot icing on the cake. I would too! lol

before update i could win a 300/300 but th10 would on average only get 150/150
so i got loot slowly but at least it was something in the right direction.

I guess Ill be stuck retreating way down to crystal level or lower and picking on th8

OH WAIT no one does that! never mind! lol

[bhima]

I think much of the frustration with loot might be from the fact that, under the new system, good loot towns (e.g., 300/300 or more) are more likely to be active towns with resources protected. Before, massive loot was always in abandoned towns, in collectors. Now, farmers who live by BAM find they need to actually fight to get great loot. The folks complaining see good loot, but they consider it unattainable. Slowly, I think they'll adjust/evolve.

I'm still loving the update. It is indeed a game-changer, and in a good way. Thanks for improving the game!

[Harshaw]

Appreciate the update, Steve. Thanks for taking the time and being specific, as well. All's well for me at TH9, LVL96.

Cheers!

[Funguy]

Yes. I expect full responsibility! Keep trying and maybe I will grant you your Xmas wish.

Hey steve maybe you could give us level 12 collectors and worry about all the people suffering with loot then some persons xmas tree sure the persons needs are inportant but that is not a big issue atm thanks steve...

[Dnastyy]

Everything I just read from this sticky is all lies , the loot has not gotten better. I haven't been able to keep more than 2m gold since the update . Dark elixir is now impossible to obtain more than 20k when I'm use to holding 35k+ No problem . There's no data of high level th's crushing lower ? I'm th8 and haven't been attacked by anyone my level since the update , only th9s and 10s. Every single one of my defense feeds all contain archer queens. I just don't understand how you could possibly say " there's no data of higher th's crushing lowers" that's like trying to tell the world milk is really green and not white . El oh el.