Multitroops are doomed

[iansilv]

the loon guy looks for a certain type of base (he knows he can defeat) to attack, as does a hog guy, golem guy etc...

each defense is going to specialize in defending against a specific type of troop. IE: anti hog base, but that anti hog base is far weaker against balloons and minions. There just isn't a perfect base combo thats going to successfully defend against every troop set that can attack.

Set all 3 xbows to air, and a guy with all archers can probably 1 star u. Set all xbows to ground and the archer guy wont get 20%. Now let the loon guy find all 3 xbows set to ground and hes licking his chops.

Now change that to offense. Spells become dead important. 5 freezes r gonna wreak havoc on infernos, but now u cant snuff castle troops. 5 lightnings tear up castle troops and morts, but the inferno towers still await.

seems to me like key to this game is a finely tuned balance, and supercell keeps it flux with their new updates.

This guy put it better than anyone. Quitcher♥♥♥♥♥in!

[Supergoatie]

Cooking time is 40 minutes on the dot. I'm a little over 3k right now. Point is, those loots are there and they are plentiful, but I'm taking the easy cups when I see them. If I were only farming, 200k+ raids (plus the 100k league bonus) would be the vast majority of my logs. Infernos do make it a little more difficult, sure, but I'm not having any problems at this cup range.

Zach, u know that a wallpiece are 4 millions each, right? If there were only 200k loots in Masters then I wouldnt stay even if it meant a challenge. And honestly, I dont think u are farming in masters with balloons. Well, I guess I dont have any choice. I, as all the rest of th10, will drop and smash innocent defenceless th9 bases. Steal all their hard earned loots and making sure that they absolutely not will be able to upgrade anything.

[Jess7286]

Hi goatie! I'm always glad you voice your opinions (because forumers are mostly farmers and it always helps to have a different perspective/voice).

My question is: why are you farming/raiding bases with discoball infernos? Prior to the update, when I was actively farming, I would be in Gold 1-3 for gold farming and crystal for dark elixir. Not sure what's a good range since I'm currently cup hunting.

Is there a particular reason you are farming up in masters? It may be easier to drop a bit and punk the little guys (sure, sure, SC discourages this but you don't see most farmers caring).

Minions still work great and I'm sure they would do just fine against any TH9 and weak TH10 base, and definitely try to look for mines/collectors raids and abandoned bases.

Could also try coupling your minions with some giants/barbs/archers to shield them from discoball?

Experiment a bit more, and if discoball infernos are presenting a problem, in the new loot system, you can even beat up on TH8 for some decent loot (so SC claims). You don't have to raid discoballs all the time.

[zachUVA]

Zach, u know that a wallpiece are 4 millions each, right? If there were only 200k loots in Masters then I wouldnt stay even if it meant a challenge. And honestly, I dont think u are farming in masters with balloons. Well, I guess I dont have any choice. I, as all the rest of th10, will drop and smash innocent defenceless th9 bases. Steal all their hard earned loots and making sure that they absolutely not will be able to upgrade anything.

You don't think I'm farming in masters with balloons? Give me 45 minutes, and I'll show you one more screenshot.

[Supergoatie]

Thanks for the complement.


I am worrying SC is swinging back to high cook time, high cost armies. It seemed like for a while they were moving away from these being the only viable strategies at the top - balloon buff and hog overhaul (which was overdone). This for me was exciting because I also like a challenge but my patience for cook times dries up after 30 minutes. At 45 minutes I draw the line for any strategy in which I want to attack with multiple times (and in this case only for massive loot totals).


The only possible alternative is that they though they'd be useful against witches. But witches are generally used with golems and from what I hear the multimode won't cut it for eliminating those witches.



But I am worrying about being pushed back into ridiculous cook times for a heavy hitting army, and having those other units for smashing lower town hall levels

Yes I agree with you 100%. Master league is already turning into a dead league. Players have to cook big armys and that takes loads of time. Less attacks and more players droping to smash lower th levels. If they arent hunting why should they stay and be forced to cook a large army with spells instead of easy, brainless farming with archer/barbs without spells?

As I stated before, I usually got attacked within a few minutes before in Masters. Now? Once a day if Im lucky. Im trying to test different bases while farming but u cant do that anymore. Sigh. Ok, thanks again Niothedreamer for your replies. Its been a pleasure. See u again on lower ranges bashing defenceless th?

[Killtom]

Im sorry, but SC's idea to have multimode on infernotowers is beyond stupid. I have lived through all the latest (and they are many) mistakes. OP golems from the start, OP witches, OP hogs. Instead of admitting they did a terrible mistake they keep on doing more and more.

I have been playing and fighting in champs league for a long time. Trying to live through the OP witches that totally ruined the game for a long time. Hm, what to do, what to do....? I know, we nerf them and do the hogs way OP. That should do the trick. Conclusion? Players that dont really belong in champs leauge kept on three starring maxed bases with maxed heroes. We already had a HUGE problem with chéating in champ and now it got out of control. The three starring hogattackers never went in defend mode with their pink walls and lvl 10 heroes. Nope, they kept on three starring and kept on going to 3500 -ish. Was it because they was extremely good? No of course not. I dont think they would have get passed master 2 without the OP troops. Well, if champs leauge were dead before it was now dead, burried and forgotten. All the chéating? Well, it was worse than ever but this time I couldnt blame them. Does anyone even care who is no 1 in the world? Well, I couldnt give a da*n. Jorge Yao was the last one who earned any respect.

My first account was unable to attack nor defend against the rediculous troops. Believe me, I love building bases and thinks that defending should be 50% of the game. In my way of thinking, you shouldnt be able to three star a maxed bases unless you are extremely good at attacking and believe me I have seen some pretty awesome attacks on my base. I lost cups but took my hat of at the same time, they earned my respect. THATS the way it should be. But it isnt...

So what to do? Well, since I truly love Clash and have lived through all the stupid moves from SC part thinking "Well, it cant get worse!" Well, it sure did... Sigh. I have used minions ever since they were introduced. I have farmed with them, cuphunted with them, been champ with them. U get it. They rule in my book. You dont have to gem them, they train fast and the black flies do their job. Well, since I desided to farm after nearly 6 months or more in champs because it totally sucked up there, then SC latest move with multimode on infernos without being able to heal troops result in a total death of multitroops like minions. Why? Well, if u arent playing in master one or champ almost everyone have their infernos set on multimode. Why? Well, simply because you dont farm with golem and other big troops. And if this wasnt bad enough, they have increased the airbombs to REALLY make sure that you cant farm or cuphunt with minions anymore.

Well SC, I still love Clash, believe it or not but what do you think players like me should do? The chéating is so terrible in champ that you simply have to do so yourself or you cant stand a chance. Farm on higher lvl? Well, with what? Balloons, hogs and minions? Sure you can but its almost impossible to remain on higher lvl. Whats left? Farm with golems and wizes? Wait two and a half hours for heroes to heal, spells to be cooked and troops to be done? And in the meanwhile get attacked by three or four people not giving you shield, but who steals 200k each on each raid? That doesnt sound like sustainable farming to me.

Completely agree with this Low lvs who have no place in champ are now setting up shop there and have made champion league an absolute joke causing many to end up che. ating . Would love it to be fixed so that now when you see a champ its like how it was months ago "there's a champ OMG HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING" not hey there's a champ "probably a hog attacker etc.

you forgot however that a lot of low lvs ch. eat to get their cups up anyway now though they attack then set some stupid stay online forever thing and you cant hit em back getting stupid its easily seen who as they have on their achievements "50 obstacles removed" you get trees etc when offline they get none its a static achievement for them

[vDrag0n]

think on the bright side. sc now has room to introduce th10 tier1 units.

[Killtom]

think on the bright side. sc now has room to introduce th10 tier1 units.

You sir are a visionary if this happened would be very happy, personally think hogs, golum and witch should be TH 10 only anyway

[zachUVA]

Zach, u know that a wallpiece are 4 millions each, right? If there were only 200k loots in Masters then I wouldnt stay even if it meant a challenge. And honestly, I dont think u are farming in masters with balloons. Well, I guess I dont have any choice. I, as all the rest of th10, will drop and smash innocent defenceless th9 bases. Steal all their hard earned loots and making sure that they absolutely not will be able to upgrade anything.

I took a break from cupping to farm for a couple of hours in light of this thread, and the results were as good as I predicted (slightly better actually). In addition to the loot from the log, there is an additional 300k (gold) from the league bonus. These raids can be done every 40 minutes and this kind of loot is sustainable, these raids are not at all uncommon.



We would all like even more loot, but honestly, I don't see how you can't consider this sustainable farming in masters with a combo like bloon/min. Yes, you can do better with BAM down in low crystal or whatever, but if you want a challenge and still have good loots: here it is.

[pzwackel]

Im sorry, but SC's idea to have multimode on infernotowers is beyond stupid. I have lived through all the latest (and they are many) mistakes. OP golems from the start, OP witches, OP hogs. Instead of admitting they did a terrible mistake they keep on doing more and more.

I have been playing and fighting in champs league for a long time. Trying to live through the OP witches that totally ruined the game for a long time. Hm, what to do, what to do....? I know, we nerf them and do the hogs way OP. That should do the trick. Conclusion? Players that dont really belong in champs leauge kept on three starring maxed bases with maxed heroes. We already had a HUGE problem with chéating in champ and now it got out of control. The three starring hogattackers never went in defend mode with their pink walls and lvl 10 heroes. Nope, they kept on three starring and kept on going to 3500 -ish. Was it because they was extremely good? No of course not. I dont think they would have get passed master 2 without the OP troops. Well, if champs leauge were dead before it was now dead, burried and forgotten. All the chéating? Well, it was worse than ever but this time I couldnt blame them. Does anyone even care who is no 1 in the world? Well, I couldnt give a da*n. Jorge Yao was the last one who earned any respect.

My first account was unable to attack nor defend against the rediculous troops. Believe me, I love building bases and thinks that defending should be 50% of the game. In my way of thinking, you shouldnt be able to three star a maxed bases unless you are extremely good at attacking and believe me I have seen some pretty awesome attacks on my base. I lost cups but took my hat of at the same time, they earned my respect. THATS the way it should be. But it isnt...

So what to do? Well, since I truly love Clash and have lived through all the stupid moves from SC part thinking "Well, it cant get worse!" Well, it sure did... Sigh. I have used minions ever since they were introduced. I have farmed with them, cuphunted with them, been champ with them. U get it. They rule in my book. You dont have to gem them, they train fast and the black flies do their job. Well, since I desided to farm after nearly 6 months or more in champs because it totally sucked up there, then SC latest move with multimode on infernos without being able to heal troops result in a total death of multitroops like minions. Why? Well, if u arent playing in master one or champ almost everyone have their infernos set on multimode. Why? Well, simply because you dont farm with golem and other big troops. And if this wasnt bad enough, they have increased the airbombs to REALLY make sure that you cant farm or cuphunt with minions anymore.

Well SC, I still love Clash, believe it or not but what do you think players like me should do? The chéating is so terrible in champ that you simply have to do so yourself or you cant stand a chance. Farm on higher lvl? Well, with what? Balloons, hogs and minions? Sure you can but its almost impossible to remain on higher lvl. Whats left? Farm with golems and wizes? Wait two and a half hours for heroes to heal, spells to be cooked and troops to be done? And in the meanwhile get attacked by three or four people not giving you shield, but who steals 200k each on each raid? That doesnt sound like sustainable farming to me.

I quickly reply before Supercell closes down this threat again ;-)

Yes you are terribly right. Not only the minions are ruined many other high trophy tactics do not work anymore.

Only tactic right now working more or less properly - happy to hear someone stating something different - is gowiwi and burning with that at least 3500 delex per fight.

In my opinion Supercell has ruined the high trophy play, a lot of 2800+ players just go to deff and do once a day a nuclear gowiwi strike. Is that fun? nope... The reasons why I started to farm again in crystal 3, pfuäääh