Multitroops are doomed

[Supergoatie]

^ this. The only way people defeated high level bases before was with freeze spells. Have u all forgotten that?

And multi mode is useless against a good gowiwi army with good spells. Stop looking for easy mode, and get better at this game as the op and people agreeing with him are clearly horrible at it.

Hrm, Im suuuure that u have farmed your way up to champ using a good GoWiWi army with freeze. Riiiiight? Especially since you as a th9 player dont even have freeze spell.

[zachUVA]

Zach, u are talking about cuphunting and Im talking about farming. Master leauge players have their towers set to multimode and why not. Its not that common that u use big troops like GoWIWi i Master and why should u when u can climb using cheaper and faster troops. Hm, my guess is that u havent either farmed nor cuphunted in masters at all since the update? Using ballon still works but surely not without spells, if u dont find a "noob base". Well, Im off track. i talked about farming on higher grounds. 2 1/2h for spells, heroes and troops that costs more than you will come back with in resources. nah, that not my kind of farming. Balloons takes FOREVER to cook so that not even an alternative. And yes, players in champ has their towers on single mode, thats why you still can use balloons and gain cups. Soooooo Zach, my question was....what to use when u cant no longer use multitroops to farm with on higher grounds?

I apologize, I did misunderstand your argument. But, now I do understand, and I firmly disagree. I am on a cup push, but I'm still farming my way up for the most part (won't pass up an easy base, but you know what I mean). Here are some of my battle logs from just yesterday:






Quite frankly, I couldn't disagree with your assessment more. I've never seen better farming in masters.

[JtB]

Yeah, I can see a good argument made for having one of each, but if that's the case, you should be able to enter on the single target side with bloonions and win a fairly standard battle no? I still can't see placing both on disco mode as a good idea though, golems are almost unstoppable otherwise. But I could be going about this analysis all wrong and it may be a great idea, I'm just having a tough time seeing it.

Lol, I hear ya. I had them both in single for a few days then I switched them to spread mode. I actually won a defense with them in spread, I lost all of the ones when they were in single mode (I have maxed defenses). Now, I have one in spread and one in single mode. Im hoping to get lucky and catch one of the level 40 heroes with the single mode inferno. Having them both in single mode is good against dragons, other than that they are weak against everything else. Like I said, they rarely got the golems or heroes anyway because all of the other troops providing distraction.

[Supergoatie]

I've known you as a former that only truly complains when you feel it is warranted.



I have to agree with you this last update made a turn that I didn't like. One one has every complained that tier 1 troops where OP. Barbs, archers, and minions are only strong in numbers.

Can you win with them? Yes - with skill and strategy. They are a high risk unit in this regard, because splash can do massive damage in a hurry. But deployed right you can sneak in that 50% and win cups.


Right now the only tier 1 troop with an upgrade at TH10 is the goblin. However, they have 3 x-bows (very strong against low hp units), another level for splash defenses, and this new multimode for infernos.

I had already considered TH10 nearly untouchable with lvl 6 troops. They just get chewed up too fast, and now throwing in a few giants or pekka isn't going to handle a multimode tower. At least the tower before was weak against hordes before.


Can I avoid them? To an extent but as Supergoatie pointed out - its now like I have a good farming alternative. Players should be able to compensate for a 2 and half hour cook time on the powerhouse combos with some skill. Sure they won't get 3 or even 2 star victories but they still earn their way.


I don't know why SuperCell is implementing so many anti-horde structures. Is it to combat witches? Obviously hogs, but I think its ridiculous that you are required to have insane cook times if you want to play in masters.



The last 3 or 4 times I looked at the top 20 players it was dominated by Golem based strategies (either wizards, witches or a combination). Balloons and minions were still present at that level but those players can not avoid to have their towers both on the octopus of death mode due to heros and golems. At lower levels, however, you are not going to see that strategy in mass.

Hi Niothedreamer, yes I usually dont complain until I reach my boiling point and yes this was one of those times. Lol. Yes, you can still use BAM in masters if u have the skills and win with 50% BUT Im talking about farming. I still dont have any problem gaining cups using minions but since Im farming for the first time in six months I would like the loot AND cups. yes, Im greedy. lol The result since the update is following, almost everyone in Masters have their towers set to multi mode AND their storages near the towers. in champ its single mode on the towers and they can use ballons. Isnt that a bit awkward? We have to use troops like Gowiwi to get the loots and champs can use balloons to get cups?

Niothedreamer, you seem like an intelligent player who knows what u are talking about. What are SCs intentions with multimode? That all th10 should wipe out all th9 and th8 bases in order to get loot? Well, I for one is not using Gowiwi with a cooking time of 2 1/2 hour to farm.

[carlito]

Im sorry, but SC's idea to have multimode on infernotowers is beyond stupid. I have lived through all the latest (and they are many) mistakes. OP golems from the start, OP witches, OP hogs. Instead of admitting they did a terrible mistake they keep on doing more and more.

I have been playing and fighting in champs league for a long time. Trying to live through the OP witches that totally ruined the game for a long time. Hm, what to do, what to do....? I know, we nerf them and do the hogs way OP. That should do the trick. Conclusion? Players that dont really belong in champs leauge kept on three starring maxed bases with maxed heroes. We already had a HUGE problem with chéating in champ and now it got out of control. The three starring hogattackers never went in defend mode with their pink walls and lvl 10 heroes. Nope, they kept on three starring and kept on going to 3500 -ish. Was it because they was extremely good? No of course not. I dont think they would have get passed master 2 without the OP troops. Well, if champs leauge were dead before it was now dead, burried and forgotten. All the chéating? Well, it was worse than ever but this time I couldnt blame them. Does anyone even care who is no 1 in the world? Well, I couldnt give a da*n. Jorge Yao was the last one who earned any respect.

My first account was unable to attack nor defend against the rediculous troops. Believe me, I love building bases and thinks that defending should be 50% of the game. In my way of thinking, you shouldnt be able to three star a maxed bases unless you are extremely good at attacking and believe me I have seen some pretty awesome attacks on my base. I lost cups but took my hat of at the same time, they earned my respect. THATS the way it should be. But it isnt...

So what to do? Well, since I truly love Clash and have lived through all the stupid moves from SC part thinking "Well, it cant get worse!" Well, it sure did... Sigh. I have used minions ever since they were introduced. I have farmed with them, cuphunted with them, been champ with them. U get it. They rule in my book. You dont have to gem them, they train fast and the black flies do their job. Well, since I desided to farm after nearly 6 months or more in champs because it totally sucked up there, then SC latest move with multimode on infernos without being able to heal troops result in a total death of multitroops like minions. Why? Well, if u arent playing in master one or champ almost everyone have their infernos set on multimode. Why? Well, simply because you dont farm with golem and other big troops. And if this wasnt bad enough, they have increased the airbombs to REALLY make sure that you cant farm or cuphunt with minions anymore.

Well SC, I still love Clash, believe it or not but what do you think players like me should do? The chéating is so terrible in champ that you simply have to do so yourself or you cant stand a chance. Farm on higher lvl? Well, with what? Balloons, hogs and minions? Sure you can but its almost impossible to remain on higher lvl. Whats left? Farm with golems and wizes? Wait two and a half hours for heroes to heal, spells to be cooked and troops to be done? And in the meanwhile get attacked by three or four people not giving you shield, but who steals 200k each on each raid? That doesnt sound like sustainable farming to me.

Did you also complain when hogs rampaged round your base resulting in 3 star loss...well - multi ball is a TH10's reward for the pain they suffered during the other 9 THs...and it helps fry those piggies. I love it.

Well done SC. Now, give me a flying goblin please

[Supergoatie]

I apologize, I did misunderstand your argument. But, now I do understand, and I firmly disagree. I am on a cup push, but I'm still farming my way up for the most part (won't pass up an easy base, but you know what I mean). Here are some of my battle logs from just yesterday:






Quite frankly, I couldn't disagree with your assessment more. I've never seen better farming in masters.

Zach, if u look at your pictures then u see that u have four good loots, the rest is just cups. I like to farm with full minions simply because cooking time isnt as bad as with balloons. I had no problem gaining cups and loots before the update. I never said it was easy, but it worked out ok. I have a fully maxed out base apart from the walls. With loots like 100k like u showed, cooking time over 1 hour......well, lets just say its not a solution. if u werent cuphunting then I bet that u wouldnt cook a balloon army only to gain 100k? Right? May I ask what cuprange u are at?

[NioTheDreamer]

Niothedreamer, you seem like an intelligent player who knows what u are talking about. What are SCs intentions with multimode? That all th10 should wipe out all th9 and th8 bases in order to get loot? Well, I for one is not using Gowiwi with a cooking time of 2 1/2 hour to farm.

Thanks for the complement.


I am worrying SC is swinging back to high cook time, high cost armies. It seemed like for a while they were moving away from these being the only viable strategies at the top - balloon buff and hog overhaul (which was overdone). This for me was exciting because I also like a challenge but my patience for cook times dries up after 30 minutes. At 45 minutes I draw the line for any strategy in which I want to attack with multiple times (and in this case only for massive loot totals).


The only possible alternative is that they though they'd be useful against witches. But witches are generally used with golems and from what I hear the multimode won't cut it for eliminating those witches.



But I am worrying about being pushed back into ridiculous cook times for a heavy hitting army, and having those other units for smashing lower town hall levels

[zachUVA]

Zach, if u look at your pictures then u see that u have four good loots, the rest is just cups. I like to farm with full minions simply because cooking time isnt as bad as with balloons. I had no problem gaining cups and loots before the update. I never said it was easy, but it worked out ok. I have a fully maxed out base apart from the walls. With loots like 100k like u showed, cooking time over 1 hour......well, lets just say its not a solution. if u werent cuphunting then I bet that u wouldnt cook a balloon army only to gain 100k? Right? May I ask what cuprange u are at?

Cooking time is 40 minutes on the dot. I'm a little over 3k right now. Point is, those loots are there and they are plentiful, but I'm taking the easy cups when I see them. If I were only farming, 200k+ raids (plus the 100k league bonus) would be the vast majority of my logs. Infernos do make it a little more difficult, sure, but I'm not having any problems at this cup range.

[Supergoatie]

Did you also complain when hogs rampaged round your base resulting in 3 star loss...well - multi ball is a TH10's reward for the pain they suffered during the other 9 THs...and it helps fry those piggies. I love it.

Well done SC. Now, give me a flying goblin please

Who are you going to farm when we all have th10?

[Jazzathegreat]

Honestly bro u cant have everything u want,Many of us have had to switch our playing style up and adapt.Maybe u should do the same thing and who knows u might find something better?