Multitroops are doomed

[Supergoatie]

This thread is about MULTImode, MULTItroops and FARMING! Pls dont forget the last part. Im not talking cuphunting. Not talking about smashing lower th without towers. Im talking about how to farm th10 with their towers set on multimode. Try to picture your army, the one you have in gold league, and picture it against towers set on multimode. Make no mistake, of course we will soon have very very very few lower th left and ALOT of th10 with discoballs.

[Supergoatie]

also i read some of your earlier posts on this thread and your talking about using balloons.... Iv seen goatie with balloons.... And (SORRY GOATIE!!) shes.... Not very good with them  thats why she used minis because for her up high that was a fast cooking army and very very efficent and could always gain and hardly lose.

Hahaha, this is so true. Version, I love you almost as much as I hate balloons and other slow troops. This woman likes action troops. I sure tried balloons but fell asleep while cooking them and then while using them. As a good friend of mine once said - "I thought the screen froze after I launched the balloons, but they were just slow".

[fister]

Im sorry, but SC's idea to have multimode on infernotowers is beyond stupid. I have lived through all the latest (and they are many) mistakes. OP golems from the start, OP witches, OP hogs. Instead of admitting they did a terrible mistake they keep on doing more and more.

I have been playing and fighting in champs league for a long time. Trying to live through the OP witches that totally ruined the game for a long time. Hm, what to do, what to do....? I know, we nerf them and do the hogs way OP. That should do the trick. Conclusion? Players that dont really belong in champs leauge kept on three starring maxed bases with maxed heroes. We already had a HUGE problem with chéating in champ and now it got out of control. The three starring hogattackers never went in defend mode with their pink walls and lvl 10 heroes. Nope, they kept on three starring and kept on going to 3500 -ish. Was it because they was extremely good? No of course not. I dont think they would have get passed master 2 without the OP troops. Well, if champs leauge were dead before it was now dead, burried and forgotten. All the chéating? Well, it was worse than ever but this time I couldnt blame them. Does anyone even care who is no 1 in the world? Well, I couldnt give a da*n. Jorge Yao was the last one who earned any respect.

My first account was unable to attack nor defend against the rediculous troops. Believe me, I love building bases and thinks that defending should be 50% of the game. In my way of thinking, you shouldnt be able to three star a maxed bases unless you are extremely good at attacking and believe me I have seen some pretty awesome attacks on my base. I lost cups but took my hat of at the same time, they earned my respect. THATS the way it should be. But it isnt...

So what to do? Well, since I truly love Clash and have lived through all the stupid moves from SC part thinking "Well, it cant get worse!" Well, it sure did... Sigh. I have used minions ever since they were introduced. I have farmed with them, cuphunted with them, been champ with them. U get it. They rule in my book. You dont have to gem them, they train fast and the black flies do their job. Well, since I desided to farm after nearly 6 months or more in champs because it totally sucked up there, then SC latest move with multimode on infernos without being able to heal troops result in a total death of multitroops like minions. Why? Well, if u arent playing in master one or champ almost everyone have their infernos set on multimode. Why? Well, simply because you dont farm with golem and other big troops. And if this wasnt bad enough, they have increased the airbombs to REALLY make sure that you cant farm or cuphunt with minions anymore.

Well SC, I still love Clash, believe it or not but what do you think players like me should do? The chéating is so terrible in champ that you simply have to do so yourself or you cant stand a chance. Farm on higher lvl? Well, with what? Balloons, hogs and minions? Sure you can but its almost impossible to remain on higher lvl. Whats left? Farm with golems and wizes? Wait two and a half hours for heroes to heal, spells to be cooked and troops to be done? And in the meanwhile get attacked by three or four people not giving you shield, but who steals 200k each on each raid? That doesnt sound like sustainable farming to me.

I'm sorry, but this is a bit much. On what planet is using troops that are readily available to any player 'chaeting'?? (misspelled to allow the work to not be censored, now that is silly)

Players who maximise aspects of any troop for their benefit are simply being clever.
When the Chinese started using gunpowder against their neighbours, I wonder if all those neighbours said "ooh look, new weapons, grossly overpowered, that is simply not fair, they should be jolly well able to kill us with the same weapons we use"?
Of course it isn't fair!! That's called progress...And is precisely why you have the internet and on-line gaming at all.

Respect to the lower levels who are enjoying trashing the 'big boys' with their little hogarmies.

[TheGreatPhoenix]

Oh... Well i dont reads signatures because most dont have that sort of info updated all the time

I update mine right when it needs to be updated

[smooth2222]

Stop whining, drop trophies and farm. Cant farm th10 anymore, live with it.

[zachUVA]

Zach, I'm sorry but your battle log doesnt show a single two-starring, and thats the problem with the multi setting on infernos. I used loons/minions to climb to 3300+ last month (and could have climbed higher) and that would not have happened if i were simply one-starring bases. Come on, man. We all know the OP is totally right. If the update is not as bad as ppl are saying, then why am I seeing so many abandoned bases in crystal 1 and on my GC list? Why is my whole clan upset with it? Goat, ty for the thread. Supercell, you have some work to do.

My log doesn't show 2 starring for 2 reasons:

1. I can't get 2 stars AND loot. That's pretty much requiring me to destory the whole base... just not possible without sacrificing something.

2. I'm not boosting spells. I could 2 star probably 2/3 of the bases I see if I had full army, CC, both heroes, and 5 spells with me every raid, but I just don't have the gems for that and I'm certainly not waiting on the spells to do that.

There is actually a ballooner in Dark Sky at 3800, yes 3800, who is still 2 starring some bases. Sure, he is a fantastic raider and I'm sure he prefers single target infernos, but hey, it's possible. That's just not what I'm trying to do as I climb, and like I said, I don't have the gems for it anyway.
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Again, more broadly, yes infernos are a big nerf to lots of stuff, and I am not denying that. Hogs, bloons, minions, etc. all got nerfed, yes. These things are not unbeatable though, even for farming. Of course I'm biased towards my own strategy (it's what I know best), but really anything that can destroy 50% of a base (even without touching the core) is good enough to farm at masters. A really good BAM farmer (which I am not) could probably farm up here. A good hogger might even be able to do enough for a reliable 1 star. The loot is easy to get to, so as long as you can nibble around for the 50%, you've got it.

Yes, this means you are usually not taking those infernos head on, but why do you need to when farming in masters? The loot isn't behind them in most cases, and as long as you get the star... that should be all you're after. Cuppers have to deal with those things, and so do farmers taking on TH 10s with true farming bases, and honestly, yes, that probably requires either heavier combos or more spell usage. But, this makes sense to a degree. You shouldn't be able to go up against a well designed, maxxed TH 10 with quick to cook combos and very few spells and be able to destroy as much of the thing as you want. Did they go too far with infernos? Perhaps (time will tell for sure), but at the moment, I am not having a problem with getting loot and a star, which is all I need. Just speaking from my experience, which happens to be different from that of others here. Sure, people are disagreeing over this, with various troops and goals, but hey, that happens. Keep up the discussion, and feedback will still be going to SC, and who knows, balance adjustments are always occuring.

[Supergoatie]

My log doesn't show 2 starring for 2 reasons:

1. I can't get 2 stars AND loot. That's pretty much requiring me to destory the whole base... just not possible without sacrificing something.

2. I'm not boosting spells. I could 2 star probably 2/3 of the bases I see if I had full army, CC, both heroes, and 5 spells with me every raid, but I just don't have the gems for that and I'm certainly not waiting on the spells to do that.

There is actually a ballooner in Dark Sky at 3800, yes 3800, who is still 2 starring some bases. Sure, he is a fantastic raider and I'm sure he prefers single target infernos, but hey, it's possible. That's just not what I'm trying to do as I climb, and like I said, I don't have the gems for it anyway.
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Again, more broadly, yes infernos are a big nerf to lots of stuff, and I am not denying that. Hogs, bloons, minions, etc. all got nerfed, yes. These things are not unbeatable though, even for farming. Of course I'm biased towards my own strategy (it's what I know best), but really anything that can destroy 50% of a base (even without touching the core) is good enough to farm at masters. A really good BAM farmer (which I am not) could probably farm up here. A good hogger might even be able to do enough for a reliable 1 star. The loot is easy to get to, so as long as you can nibble around for the 50%, you've got it.

Yes, this means you are usually not taking those infernos head on, but why do you need to when farming in masters? The loot isn't behind them in most cases, and as long as you get the star... that should be all you're after. Cuppers have to deal with those things, and so do farmers taking on TH 10s with true farming bases, and honestly, yes, that probably requires either heavier combos or more spell usage. But, this makes sense to a degree. You shouldn't be able to go up against a well designed, maxxed TH 10 with quick to cook combos and very few spells and be able to destroy as much of the thing as you want. Did they go too far with infernos? Perhaps (time will tell for sure), but at the moment, I am not having a problem with getting loot and a star, which is all I need. Just speaking from my experience, which happens to be different from that of others here. Sure, people are disagreeing over this, with various troops and goals, but hey, that happens. Keep up the discussion, and feedback will still be going to SC, and who knows, balance adjustments are always occuring.

Zach, you are missing the whole point! Champs, we are not talking about them. They still have their infernos set on single mode. They are not even effected by this. We are not talking about just nibbling or even necessearily getting 50%. Slow cup hunting blah blah. Im saying multimode is just beyond stupid because its killing common multitroop combos when you are farming. I dont have to farm in Master, no of course not. But where is the fun in bashing lower th without any defence. Taking their hard earned resources that they are saving for upgrades? How are they even going to be able to revenge me? I have towers lvl 3 set on multimode and my storages close to them. My mini me has lvl 1 towers set on multi and they cant even farm her.

You say balloons and drags. Is that a common farming army for you? Ok, my guess is that u usually farm in lower Crystal or Gold. Using maybe the common army setup as archers and barbs? Ok, look at the bigger picture here. How many low th do you really think will be left in a few weeks? When you are done trying to reach champ (Hope u reach your goal. Fingers crossed) how many low lvl th will be left for u to fill your empty storages? My whole entire "clan" is very high lvl and almost EVERYONE is now in Gold and low Crystal farming away.

One more thing, yes you can maybe keep on nibbling for a day or two. But do you honostly think that players in Master will keep on giving away 50%? No, I can assure you they will not. I already see a dramatic change. Their bases is now turning into WELL protected FARMING BASES.

So Zach, hurry, hurry, hurry and nibble away. Its just a matter of time before we all have highly well protected bases that will make Fort Knox green with envy. And Im not at all worried. SC will have to correct their mistake AGAIN. My bet is that their solution will be a new lvl of the multimode towers. Maybe even boost hogs and other de troops again? I mean, that has been their solution in the past.

[zachUVA]

Zach, you are missing the whole point! Champs, we are not talking about them. They still have their infernos set on single mode. They are not even effected by this. We are not talking about just nibbling or even necessearily getting 50%. Slow cup hunting blah blah. Im saying multimode is just beyond stupid because its killing common multitroop combos when you are farming. I dont have to farm in Master, no of course not. But where is the fun in bashing lower th without any defence. Taking their hard earned resources that they are saving for upgrades? How are they even going to be able to revenge me? I have towers lvl 3 set on multimode and my storages close to them. My mini me has lvl 1 towers set on multi and they cant even farm her.

You say balloons and drags. Is that a common farming army for you? Ok, my guess is that u usually farm in lower Crystal or Gold. Using maybe the common army setup as archers and barbs? Ok, look at the bigger picture here. How many low th do you really think will be left in a few weeks? When you are done trying to reach champ (Hope u reach your goal. Fingers crossed) how many low lvl th will be left for u to fill your empty storages? My whole entire "clan" is very high lvl and almost EVERYONE is now in Gold and low Crystal farming away.

One more thing, yes you can maybe keep on nibbling for a day or two. But do you honostly think that players in Master will keep on giving away 50%? No, I can assure you they will not. I already see a dramatic change. Their bases is now turning into WELL protected FARMING BASES.

So Zach, hurry, hurry, hurry and nibble away. Its just a matter of time before we all have highly well protected bases that will make Fort Knox green with envy. And Im not at all worried. SC will have to correct their mistake AGAIN. My bet is that their solution will be a new lvl of the multimode towers. Maybe even boost hogs and other de troops again? I mean, that has been their solution in the past.

The bolded parts are really becoming a head scratcher. I'm sorry, but it looks like you either aren't reading my posts or you are ignoring them. I really can't make my case under those circumstances.

[Growler]

Disco infernos bothered me quite a lot to start with, but now I barely flinch when I see two max ones next to town hall whilst using balloons and minions, and I will take on two of them and three max xbows pointing up and two star champs depending on how the base is set out.

Sure they decimate minions when they have a clean shot at them, you simply have to take them out before the minions get in range and are no longer tanked.

If you are simply spamming minions on against a TH10 you deserve everything coming to you.

[Supergoatie]

The bolded parts are really becoming a head scratcher. I'm sorry, but it looks like you either aren't reading my posts or you are ignoring them. I really can't make my case under those circumstances.

I dont know why that post turned out that way. Maybe you can read all parts and ignoring that they shift between being bold and not. Its all good Zach. I understand your position now that you are a moderator. You have to try and see the positive in every stupid move SC is doing. You will figure out the problem once you are farming again. Then its not about nibbling to get 50%, using drags or balloons. Maybe by then most of us have th10 with towers on multimode. Any suggestions on a brilliant farmingcombo to loot the storages, which by then will be located close to the towers? I also bet, that most of the bases soon will turn out to be as safe as fort knox. I know, that Im changing my base into one.