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    Quote Originally Posted by zachUVA View Post
    Ok, I'm sorry, but I just don't get this.

    Subforums are here (at least IMO) to divide the content of the forums into organized areas. Want to look at base designs and discuss army comps? Go to TSQ. Wanna watch some cool YT vids and see awesome graphics? Go to Creativity. Got an idea? Go to IFR. Etc. etc.

    If we leave all the "good" suff in general, why even have subforums? Then we are supposed to mix it in with the "bad" in general? I just see it as wholly counterpoductive.

    If the subforums are here to organize the forums, then they should be used to... organize the forums. I really don't get why it should be different than that.

    But that's just me.
    Couldn't agree more. I actually open the TSQ and General sub-forums everytime I come to the forums. And I even check the ideas and A/D log sub-forums from time to time. I really can't see why people can't do this, it's easier if anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maynards35 View Post
    A mighty +1 for this even if it's rather irresponsible. I fully understand the desire to organise everything here, but it seems like the forum spirit has been lost in translation with so many good threads being organised into less publicised sub forums. Theoretically this thread should have already been moved so the fact that it hasn't kind of reinforces my faith in the way these forums are run. I know that all the moderators are great people and I just wish they could express their feelings more - i.e. allow certain threads to remain in general even though it technically doesn't belong.

    We are currently following a regime designed to 100% organise these forums so that exposure will be spread out across all the sub forums. In my mind this is an approach designed to fail because even if it does work to its desired potential, there is still the possibility that one thread, designed by one forumer that has that extra spark of energy that could benefit countless others and inspire a whole generation of new players who on that one day at that one time wanted to see that one post, could be lost. In my mind that is simply tragic. Even if we lose this proposed level of organisation and initiate chaos, it will be worth it for just one post.
    That's definitely a good point, but there are some challenges there too.

    1. What should be left alone then? That just sounds like something that is incredibly subjective to me. Sure, some cases are obvious, but do you guys really want mods picking and choosing what goes where based on what you described? Doesn't sound like a good thing to me.

    2. What about fairness? If someone makes a really good base designs thread that gets people really excited (take OJM's projects and Cake's thread as examples) and that gets put/left in General, well then aren't the mods deeming other, even similar, threads inferior by leaving them in TSQ? I'm not fond of that either and they would have a legit complaint against their threads not being in General too.

    Bottom line, I think reality will always fall somewhere between totally arbitrary and totally standardized, but it's a tough mix. It's no secret that I prefer the latter with pretty few exceptions, but hey, posts like yours will always make me think twice about it. Of course, the mod team is fairly diverse too, and I'm sure things will be reevaluated as needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HedleyLammarr View Post
    A complaint about complaints?
    Yes I was aware of the irony when writing up this thread, but I've just about reached my limit. The number of complaints and hateful posts have turned me into a big grouch

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    OP - I agree with you, people need to remember that whilst they may feel passionately about something there are more than one things to discuss.

    The mod team has been wearing our keyboards out over the past week or so moving threads, closing down rant threads, merging threads. Oh and the infractions, bans and the nasty verbal abuse usually from people who want to fill general with one issue.

    It would make everyone's life a LOT better (and make us redundant but hey) if people kept to the rules, specifically:

    We will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks, harassment, or purposeless inflammatory posts. The moderators and admins decision is final in these matters. Any abuse towards our staff, moderators and/or admins in any form will not be tolerated.

    Multiple or repeated posting of the same thread or topic is not allowed, as is repeated "bumping" of your thread. If your thread or reply has been trashed, or closed, it doesn't mean that you should post the same thread again.
    The mods here do a great job at keeping their cool while moving threads to the correct location, politely responding to angry and / or hateful posts and so on. It is a very thankless job that deserves a lot more gratitude than it gets. I can only imagine how frustrating it can get for mods sometimes, having to keep up with every thread and having to always be polite and constructive even when often the only thing they get from the community is disrespectful posts and messages.

    Like others have pointed out, the sub forums such as tactics and creativity are a great source of information but the fact is, many people only visit general.

    Honestly if the goal is to organize the forums so as to make finding information easier, then there needs to either be a complaints subforum or general should just be renamed "complaints" because after every thread is moved to it's proper subforum, all that seems to be left in general is the slew of immature and double/triple/quadruple posted threads about the same complaint.

    I can only imagine how a newcomer to the forums must react when they browse general (I would guess this would be most newcomers' first place they'd check out) and just see a page full of threads complaining, flaming, threatening to quit, yelling at mods, and so on.

    After the mods have done their jobs, which they do very well, all that is left in general are these complaints. And that, in my opinion, is not nearly as related to general clash of clans info / discussion as all of the well thought out posts that end up in other sub forums.

    To those who are saying it is a recent development due to there being no loot, or due to hogs, etc: no I don't think this is the whole reason. There have always been complaints, and no matter how awesome or not so awesome an update may be people will ALWAYS find something to complain about. I don't expect people to stop complaining nor do I want their complaints to go unheard (often within the sea of angry posts complaining about the game there can be some valuable information that helps SC tweak the game and balance content). The ratio of "general" posts vs posts complaining about something has just gone way out of proportion.

    SC has got a great game, a great forum, and a fantastic team of moderators. The main gripe I have with clash of clans isn't even directly related to the game haha, it's what I just discussed / originally wrote in my first post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zachUVA View Post
    That's definitely a good point, but there are some challenges there too.

    1. What should be left alone then? That just sounds like something that is incredibly subjective to me. Sure, some cases are obvious, but do you guys really want mods picking and choosing what goes where based on what you described? Doesn't sound like a good thing to me.

    2. What about fairness? If someone makes a really good base designs thread that gets people really excited (take OJM's projects and Cake's thread as examples) and that gets put/left in General, well then aren't the mods deeming other, even similar, threads inferior by leaving them in TSQ? I'm not fond of that either and they would have a legit complaint against their threads not being in General too.

    Bottom line, I think reality will always fall somewhere between totally arbitrary and totally standardized, but it's a tough mix. It's no secret that I prefer the latter with pretty few exceptions, but hey, posts like yours will always make me think twice about it. Of course, the mod team is fairly diverse too, and I'm sure things will be reevaluated as needed.
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    IMO this is on the user's fault. Are some of you people really saying that you are too lazy to go click on a new sub forum? General seems to be the place where a lot of meanness and arguments happen, so why not try to discover other places? TSQ's is a fantastic sub forum population with fun projects that we are working on together as a community. Forum games is a fun place to mess about and interact in a kind environment.

    I personally like the fact that the forums are organized, it makes it easier to find what you need and want to see.

    Maybe you guys should buy a mouse so it is easier for y'all to click and stuff...BACK TO TSQ I GO!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phal View Post
    Honestly if the goal is to organize the forums so as to make finding information easier, then there needs to either be a complaints subforum or general should just be renamed "complaints" because after every thread is moved to it's proper subforum, all that seems to be left in general is the slew of immature and double/triple/quadruple posted threads about the same complaint.
    Seriously, if there was a Complaints sub forum General would have no threads! Hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by maggiep0tat0 View Post
    Gimme back my Forum where EVERYTHING was on the front page!

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    Well I think due to the increasing Coc population, more dare i say trollers have filtered into the system. Back in the good old early days we did not have much, so we credited the updates, nowadays its all when's the next update? - what is planned? When will it be out? Sc are definitely more scrutizised nowadays. General is a vague term, which might be misleading to some people, which is why many threads are moved. I think that there are occasionally some great threads, some days not so good, but a jewel does pop up, we will just have to wait for it
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonxXx View Post
    Well I think due to the increasing Coc population, more dare i say trollers have filtered into the system. Back in the good old early days we did not have much, so we credited the updates, nowadays its all when's the next update? - what is planned? When will it be out? Sc are definitely more scrutizised nowadays. General is a vague term, which might be misleading to some people, which is why many threads are moved. I think that there are occasionally some great threads, some days not so good, but a jewel does pop up, we will just have to wait for it
    This is true, the bigger a game gets the more it's playerbase expects nothing less than perfection - and CoC has become huge. But I don't think this is the entire reason for such an overwhelming increase in posts complaining about the same thing. It would seem that it is a little bit of everything: partially the game and its balance, partially the organization of the forums, partially the increase in popularity of the game, and partially that this is the internet - where trolls like to congregate.

    I'd like to point out the irony in the fact that this thread is technically a complaint (not to cheapen my own thread..but it's true haha) yet people have responded constructively, maturely, and even a few mods have voiced their opinions so far! It would appear that because I didn't put "LOOT" or "OMG HOGS" or "I QUIT!!" in the title, the trolls havnt bothered clicking on it yet. Works for me!

    I appreciate all the feedback. I was fully expecting people to flame me or for people to turn this into another thread about loot, but so far the discussion is still relevant and in my opinion very interesting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by boghertz View Post
    This reminds me the ad to stop too many adds on tv, but instead its a complaint about making less complaints. O.o something is funky here
    how else is he going to get his point across? he is being respectful and not wildly throwing accusations at people. I agree with him, but i guess people have to complain some where
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