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    I am not saying matching is bad. I agree it is pretty good.
    But what I am saying is that the best wars are the good match ups.
    Doesnt have to be mirror matching to get a feeling of parity. There can be an array of strats and builds involved, and still when you look down the map you think "yeah, good match, this will be fun".
    I simply dont like cup cake wars, as it does nothing other than put a digit on the streak, and another bit of green in the log. And being outmatched in real terms, rather than the usual "we got an engi at the bottom of the map", does nothing at all. It doesnt make us want to improve either our bases or skills, it simply makes us shrug and move on.
    So its parity matching for me, in its various guises. Our streak crept up to 10 again, so something is working for us.

    BTW. Do people really agree that out of 9 spins, 3 should be cup cake, 3 should be fun, and 3 be unwinnable?. If so, then Sc been wasting a lot of time working the algo.
    Maybe I watch the streak too closely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joshsgrandad View Post
    BTW. Do people really agree that out of 9 spins, 3 should be cup cake, 3 should be fun, and 3 be unwinnable?. If so, then Sc been wasting a lot of time working the algo.
    Maybe I watch the streak too closely.
    Let's not stretch it out into hyperbole, let's leave it at clear advantage, parity, clear disadvantage.

    Let's also keep in mind that I said I like the current form of the MMA.

    Let's do a thought experiment. How would you deem my most recent match in the terms I stated? Clear Advantage, Parity, Clear Disadvantage?

    60 60 30 23800 12 57 60 30 23800 12
    60 60 30 23600 12 42 60 21 23600 12
    58 60 27 23600 12 41 46 23 23400 12
    40 45 20 22800 12 48 60 18 23400 12
    32 37 20 22800 12 30 38 20 23400 12
    46 46 20 21200 11 50 50 20 22000 11
    41 46 15 21200 11 50 50 20 21800 11
    17 20 5 19400 11 12 38 40 17800 10
    40 40 17800 10 33 40 17800 10
    38 40 20 17800 11 34 33 17600 10
    30 33 17200 10 30 29 17600 10
    40 49 15 16800 11 35 35 17200 10
    34 40 16800 10 37 37 17200 10
    21 20 16600 10 35 39 17000 10
    10 25 13600 9 25 28 13800 9
    21 20 13600 10 17 17 13800 10
    20 15 13200 9 15 17 13600 9
    16 16 12000 9 20 20 13600 9
    10 20 11800 9 20 20 13000 9
    10 1250 8 10 8 12000 9
    644 692 202 346850 667 727 152 363400
    307 338 40 349 363 0
    337 354 162 159000 318 364 152 161400


    How do you think SC would have declared the match?

    Edit: Don't think of the 12 at line 8 like it went to TH12, it didn't. I'll make that info clear later after the thought experiment.
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    Looks like a fairly decent match on the surface. It's the kind of match we get often.
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    How would you deem my previous match in the terms I stated? Clear Advantage, Parity, Clear Disadvantage? Don't forget to determine how SC would have labeled it?

    60 60 30 23800 12 60 60 30 23800 12
    60 60 30 23600 12 57 60 30 23600 12
    58 60 26 23600 12 46 60 30 23600 12
    40 45 20 22800 12 45 54 26 23600 12
    32 37 20 22800 12 23 30 12 22600 12
    40 46 15 21200 11 40 39 20 21400 11
    40 40 17800 10 36 36 9 20600 11
    30 33 17200 10 10 10 1 18800 11
    40 49 15 16800 11 10 19 16600 10
    34 40 16800 10 15 17 16200 10
    21 20 16600 10 10 10 16000 10
    10 25 13600 9 12 18 13400 9
    20 21 13600 10 12 12 13400 9
    11 12 12800 9 9 11 14600 10
    10 20 11800 9 3 12334 8
    506 568 156 274800 388 436 158 280534
    176 211 0 81 97 1
    330 357 156 155600 307 339 157 159200
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    Lets bear in mind mate, we war at different ends of the scale. We are just entering th11 territory, which is where our mind set will differentiate greatly.
    But from the numbers, I would likely be happy. Slight hero advantage at top and upper middle, but fairly close. They take control towards the bottom. So seems ok to me. I would maybe be confident, but it would be in the balance, with raiding the decider. Obviously going off the weights, they appear to have defensive advantage. (this is for first one)

    Once again. Due to the presence of those big accounts at the top. I feel that the bottom end is pretty much negated due to the 2 attack rule. Top 4 look good. You then seem to get bigger than them, until the lower end. Defences look on par this time. If your big guys can hit, then I am confident you won. If it were us, and you dropped the wardens, changed hall colour from blue to red, we would be happy.
    Parity doesnt have to be mirror match, only giving a feeling of similarity in my book. And apologies for the stretch of details. I get you dont mean cup cake/no chance with the spin swings.
    Impressive line up btw.
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    Think the team that coordinates better should win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joshsgrandad View Post
    Lets bear in mind mate, we war at different ends of the scale. We are just entering th11 territory, which is where our mind set will differentiate greatly.
    But from the numbers, I would likely be happy. Slight hero advantage at top and upper middle, but fairly close. They take control towards the bottom. So seems ok to me. I would maybe be confident, but it would be in the balance, with raiding the decider. Obviously going off the weights, they appear to have defensive advantage. (this is for first one)

    Once again. Due to the presence of those big accounts at the top. I feel that the bottom end is pretty much negated due to the 2 attack rule. Top 4 look good. You then seem to get bigger than them, until the lower end. Defences look on par this time. If your big guys can hit, then I am confident you won. If it were us, and you dropped the wardens, changed hall colour from blue to red, we would be happy.
    Parity doesnt have to be mirror match, only giving a feeling of similarity in my book. And apologies for the stretch of details. I get you dont mean cup cake/no chance with the spin swings.
    Impressive line up btw.
    On that first match I would say it falls under parity and I think SC would deem it the same. They have us on the bottom, but then we have 2 more TH11s to make up the middle. They outweigh us overall and they have the slight advantage overall in BK levels and AQ levels, where we have the advantage in GW levels. It made for an interesting war, which I agree parity matches are more interesting. That 3rd TH11 in our war, with the 12 beside it, shouldn't have been included at all since it wasted two attacks and was 3 starred by there #12 TH10.

    On the previous (2nd) match I would say we have the clear advantage on the bottom half, and we have the overall advantage for the war. However, I still think it is an interesting war worth having because their bottom 8 bases should be able to clear our bottom 4 bases and provide scouts elsewhere. Their top 2 TH11s can clear our 8 - 11, which leaves their top 5 TH12s to handle our top 7 bases. We've had to do wars like this while we were leveling for the longest time as the underdog; they are winnable.

    In my mind, I would gladly take the 3 parity matches like I showed in the first match, and the 3 advantage/disadvantage matches as shown in the second match. We are usually more excited as a clan when we beat a team where we have a clear disadvantage. If we lose a war where we are at a disadvantage we shrug it off since it was an uneven match. We enjoy the wars when they are on parity, win or lose. For the wars where we are in an advantage we usually like to try something different because we have breathing room. Losing a war where we had a clear advantage usually bothers us because we are all wondering ♥♥♥ just happened.
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