Clash of Clans - Announcing Clan War Leagues - October Update!

[Bolt1978]

Please explain how I am to do it without buying gems? I have been playing the game for almost 3 years, I got to th11, without rushung and buying gems. At th11 buying any structure requires 8+ millions of gold or elixir. Can you imagine how many attacks per day require to get 8 millions of gold or elixir net? Who have time to play whole day coc? There is a point when the game becomes no fun even for such a hard core player like me. The only fun were clan wars, where one could win just because of skill, without necessity of buying tons of gems to be maxed th12. Now it seems you are going to ruin the last interesting part of the game.

You’ve been playing a free game all the way to Th11 without having to pay a dime for gems?!?!? That’s awesome you have gotten those hundreds or thousands of hours of entertainment for free!!! Now explain how that means you should get the top rewards available in the game. I’m missing that disconnect. I’m not saying you shouldn’t because you didn’t pay for gems, I’m saying that those at the top, no matter how they got there since both ways are possible, should be getting the top rewards.

[Ajax]

So if you go with fifteen TH 12 and fifteen TH8.. you will be likely matched with another fifteen TH 12, so you win your very first war and then want to change your roster with the fifteen TH 8 so.. your second war you will be matched with all THs 12 because of you 15 tops? Or what will happen of I do that?

There is no matching after your first season. It is just a random selection of 8 clans from the same tier. The only time the strength of your bases plays any part in determining your opposition is when you first enter clan war leagues.

[Ajax]

One chief concern though, It take nearly a hour to get right size opponent in normal wars.

How much do you think will take to group 8 clans,?

Hey Darian, thanks.
But that does mean that only clans with 15 skilled maxed th12 will reach top tiers, and they'll have the best rewards (as you said in first CWL preview). You give the best awards to people who don't need it because they're maxed ?

That just doesn't have sense to me..
They should match you with 7 others clans similars to your top15 roster. This means EVERYONE (even a clans with only th8, if they're skilled) could reach the top tiers, and the ladder would be only based on skill.

Sorry, but this is a seriously bad idea.

I know several have asked for it, but there is very little upside and HUGE downsides.

The only upside is that people who have put no long term effort or expense into the game could still reach the top.

This is directly also a downside, as it will be seriously discouraging to those who have put long term effort in and now find that effort wasted.

It would also have the secondary effect of dis ouraging progression for those near max fir their current TH, which would be wholly destructive for the game as a whole.

Incidentally, I am NOT saying this because we will be somewhere near the top. We won't be, as a very mixed clan. We usually war at 15v15 or 10v10 and have never warred with more than 3 TH12s. So we will be starting quite low, and will never get near the top without a LOT of upgrading.

[SigiGangster]

You’ve been playing a free game all the way to Th11 without having to pay a dime for gems?!?!? That’s awesome you have gotten those hundreds or thousands of hours of entertainment for free!!! Now explain how that means you should get the top rewards available in the game. I’m missing that disconnect. I’m not saying you shouldn’t because you didn’t pay for gems, I’m saying that those at the top, no matter how they got there since both ways are possible, should be getting the top rewards.

Quite cynical approach. I think that Supercell should be grateful for me for playing this game so long and making it more popular...
Let me put it another way, assume that I am a regular guy, who have played the game for three years, got to th11 after spending like 2k usd for gems, just to find out that you implemented th12.... Now, a new great concept - clan war leagues..If I want to be successful in clan league wars, I have to spend like 10k usd more for gems now or farm for the next 3 years to get to th12. In the meantime you will inplement th13 or even th14, and I am again in the same doomed position.
So certainly the message is very clear - buy gems or forget it. I would probably buy some gems but they are way too expensive..

[Ajax]

Good point! So to make winning important, other than just for the bragging rights, they should implement a big boost in rewards in higher tiers. Thou, this does make it possible for clan families to cheat on. They could build th12 only lineups in their separate league clans and easily get up to higher leagues for more rewards. This should be disabled somehow.

Why? I'm not even quite sure just what it is that you want disabled, but have absolutely no idea why.

[2222]

Quite cynical approach. I think that Supercell should be grateful for me for playing this game so long and making it more popular...
Let me put it another way, assume that I am a regular guy, who have played the game for three years, got to th11 after spending like 2k usd for gems, just to find out that you implemented th12.... Now, a new great concept - clan war leagues..If I want to be successful in clan league wars, I have to spend like 10k usd more for gems now or farm for the next 3 years to get to th12. In the meantime you will inplement th13 or even th14, and I am again in the same doomed position.
So certainly the message is very clear - buy gems or forget it. I would probably buy some gems but they are way too expensive..

A th12 needs to spend $10k or 3 years of farming to get to th12? That is way off. A player new to the game starting today, sure, but a th11? If you are a th11 now you are far enough along that you can catch up and max out at some point. The new content is released slow enough that active players can upgrade more than what they release. That has always been the case, even before all these new magic items made progression so much faster.

[JohnnyGalt]

If someone is at a high enough League, that pretty much says everything about how good they are.

Darian, I disagree. You have tons of clans out there that are absolutely playing the game at an extremely high skill level that contain few or no TH12's. However you could take those clans and set them up against 15 of the lowest skilled TH12 players in existence and they wouldn't stand a chance.

Matching say the best team in the world of 2 TH12's, 3 TH11's, 5 TH12's and 5 TH9's, against a mediocre group of 15 TH12's says nothing about how good they are. I respectfully submit all that will prove is that 15 mediocre players can run "dip" attacks well.

[Klavious]

Please explain how I am to do it without buying gems? I have been playing the game for almost 3 years, I got to th11, without rushung and buying gems. At th11 buying any structure requires 8+ millions of gold or elixir. Can you imagine how many attacks per day require to get 8 millions of gold or elixir net? Who have time to play whole day coc? There is a point when the game becomes no fun even for such a hard core player like me. The only fun were clan wars, where one could win just because of skill, without necessity of buying tons of gems to be maxed th12. Now it seems you are going to ruin the last interesting part of the game.

Raid? That's what I do. Most of the TH12 upgrades are 10M+ in gold or Elixir and 180K+ in DE (between buildings, lab and heroes). I haven't had any problem keeping builders busy, lab lights on progressing heroes all without buying a single gem.

[Bigdome757]

Quite cynical approach. I think that Supercell should be grateful for me for playing this game so long and making it more popular...
Let me put it another way, assume that I am a regular guy, who have played the game for three years, got to th11 after spending like 2k usd for gems, just to find out that you implemented th12.... Now, a new great concept - clan war leagues..If I want to be successful in clan league wars, I have to spend like 10k usd more for gems now or farm for the next 3 years to get to th12. In the meantime you will inplement th13 or even th14, and I am again in the same doomed position.
So certainly the message is very clear - buy gems or forget it. I would probably buy some gems but they are way too expensive..

$10,000 and 3 years!?! Wow. You are definitely doing something wrong. I would also that SC is a business that needs to make money. Of course the game will be structured to that end.

[Ajax]

Far from it! It simply states they have a clan family, or some other way to get full 15 x th12 lineup for the league. Nothing related to talent of the team, other than at the absolute top where all teams are 15 max bases.

Edit: Improve this! There absolutely gotta be a matching algorithm for this, so that even a mixed th team can reach high tiers if they got talent. Otherwise it'll just be a big clan family bully of single good clans, with those full th12 teams.

You do realise that what you are saying there "absolutlely gotta be" would destroy Clash within a few months?

And no, I am not being melodramatic. Clash is absolutely reliant on progression, but any system which allows low progression clans to reach the top based on "talent" (however you define that) will inevitably discourage progression.

I don't think there is any realistic chance of SC changing this aspect of CWL, and I think it would be almost wholly bad for the game if they did.

And you have to admit, they have been saying for 6-7 months now that there was an uograde coming that would make most people want to get to TH12 as fast as possible. That has been no secret at all.