Yes another Th 12 No Eagle thread→look at the pics⚠️

[littledoctor]

Interesting tidbit of information.

What update would be required on the client side that can't be performed on the server for identifying a viable clan match (you didn't place the eagle but the weight is still counted)?

Would this imply that some of what is used in the matchmaking resides on the client and not all on the server like we think?

Or does this give more reliability to the order and weight seen on the war map?

It is an intriguing bit of info. It strengthens my belief that the raw data files published by various sources really are used for something more than just gold offered (since we saw those values change while the gold offered stayed the same). It increases my fear that someone could attack the matchmaking process by sending invalid info to the server (similarly to how some clans have set their required trophies to a nonstandard value).

[2222]

I’m losing more and more faith in Supercell with each failed update or buff-n-nerf cycle.

Overall, this update has be a total blackeye for you guys. You’ve failed to catch the wrecker was op, failed at catching the eagle still doing x3 damage, and now you’re admitting the one decent change throughout this entire update was also FLAWED.

The biggest, grandest update ever to come to clash and it was a complete mess riddled with bugs.

The one decent change? Just how big of a problem do you think purchasing the eagle pack but not placing the eagle really is? It seems you think it is a huge deal. I don’t. Why do you?

[Vikingchief]

Hey Darian,

So I had been thinking a little about this issue since the announcement of the original change and although your team wants unplaced items to carry weight, it should n NOT carry any weight or penalty for players IF THEY DO NOT PLACE PACK ITEMS IN THE SAME TOWNHALL THEY PURCHASED IT IN (Sorry, hard to bold on tablet).

The reason for this is that if at TH11 buying the eagle and warden pack is neither an advantage or disadvantage to hold or place separately because you could do the same thing going through the normal process of using gold. If unplaced items carry weight within the same town hall it was purchased in, it will wrongly punish a greater number of players who are not looking to do it to exploit any kind of loophole.

I understand that Supercell does not want to provide alot of information about how matchmaking works but I do think that TH12s who DO HAVE UNPLACED EAGLES should see a reflection of that weight in map ordering (in the same way as not placing items in a war base but placed in home base). This would not be providing players with any extra information other than letting these players know they MUST place those items because it is being counted anyways.

For the record I do not have any of these unplaced items, this is simply my opinion on how I think would work best for all players. If you could reply to this so that I may know that my concerns on this issue have been heard it would be greatly appreciated.

Edit:

To further iterate, I think 3 changes should be made to follow the build-all policy and put this issue to rest.

1. Pack items need to be placed in home village before being able to upgrade the TH

2. Unplaced pack items only carry weight outside of the TH they are purchased in.

3. Unplaced items carrying weight is visible in map ordering in the same way as having items placed in home village but not placed in the war base.

This is the only way that is fair and make any basic logical sense, Hopefully Darian reads it and being the genius he is realises he need to ask the devs to implement it this way.

[HulaGirl]

hmmm, statement by Darian makes me wonder if some unintentional MM changes has happened as well? Since th12 update, my clan had been getting fairly even matches. Our last 4 out of 6 matches, we have been seeing low lying th11s with max heroes again. Our 2 recent losses have been to clans with 4-5 max hero th11s sitting at the bottom of the map. Not unwinnable wars but just seems out of the "norm" based on what we were getting right after th12 update.

[joshsgrandad]

Nice one Darian. 14 pages of locking horns starts to get a little tedious, when there is no way of any confirmation either way.
TBH.. I personally thought that since they announced it was weighted, then it would be.
But what has impressed me most with this, is that we have guys like Major and Sam. Seasoned optimisers that have been right on the money again, these guys rarely miss.
As an edit.. I am still erring on the side of caution when it comes to "gold weight". The evidence (not available) in our clan, is that the big defences are weighing less, but gold weight has remained static.

[MajorJohnson]

Nice one Darian. 14 pages of locking horns starts to get a little tedious, when there is no way of any confirmation either way.
TBH.. I personally thought that since they announced it was weighted, then it would be.
But what has impressed me most with this, is that we have guys like Major and Sam. Seasoned optimisers that have been right on the money again, these guys rarely miss.
As an edit.. I am still erring on the side of caution when it comes to "gold weight". The evidence (not available) in our clan, is that the big defences are weighing less, but gold weight has remained static.

I was getting tired of it, all the back and forth and even heated replies on each other's convictions, blah.

Ok I was right, that's awesome!

But let's get to the nuts and bolts of the situation.

In what way might my suggestion for a fix may not be the preferred option? I think the solution I proposed will for the most part be the be the only solution, can anyone counter? Why?

[2222]

I was getting tired of it, all the back and forth and even heated replies on each other's convictions, blah.

Ok I was right, that's awesome!

But let's get to the nuts and bolts of the situation.

In what way might my suggestion for a fix may not be the preferred option? I think the solution I proposed will for the most part be the be the only solution, can anyone counter? Why?

Was there a lot of back and forth and heated replies on the issue of whether unplaced eagles counted in the defensive weight by the matchmaker? I didn’t see it. And, yes, I agree your suggestion is the best option.

[joshsgrandad]

I also agree it would be the best option. As for getting heated.. I hope not. Didn't read it that way. Just saw stalemate.. And I was wrong with my thoughts on the issue.

[PapaTroll]

Many thanks for responding. Your Frank and honest candor is what establishes the trust we place in Supercell to do the right thing. We understand honest mistakes. We look forward to the fix.

[samratulangi]

Hey Darian,


To further iterate, I think 3 changes should be made to follow the build-all policy and put this issue to rest.

1. Pack items need to be placed in home village before being able to upgrade the TH

2. Unplaced pack items only carry weight outside of the TH they are purchased in.

3. Unplaced items carrying weight is visible in map ordering in the same way as having items placed in home village but not placed in the war base.

Best suggestion, agree