Yes another Th 12 No Eagle thread→look at the pics⚠️

[LaChampi0nsLiga]

Some very convoluted theories here on "ghost war weight".

Can I add one more theory?

Maybe it just doesn't work the way it should. Maybe Darian believes it should weigh in, but it doesn't, just as the intended removal of eagles doing triple damage to golems was announced but not implemented.

Sometimes you just have to follow the evidence. Evidence is starting to mount that the unplaced defenses are NOT being weighed.

It seems that it is the way, but you won't find any logical answer here, maybe they who defends the official statement have some villages with infernoes and eas pack, who knows..

[AFrostyBlaze]

the bases in the pictures are ordered/arranged properly according to what defenses have been placed on the map.

i believe the unplaced eagle still factors in but we can't be sure. either way who really cares, queue up your war and have at it

[MajorJohnson]

Some very convoluted theories here on "ghost war weight".

Can I add one more theory?

Maybe it just doesn't work the way it should. Maybe Darian believes it should weigh in, but it doesn't, just as the intended removal of eagles doing triple damage to golems was announced but not implemented.

Sometimes you just have to follow the evidence. Evidence is starting to mount that the unplaced defenses are NOT being weighed.

I would have to agree here.

I think gold weight does work as intended, and the weight that Darian talked about was not implemented correctly so unplaced eagles do not actually count for weight.

These "ghost weight" and "server side weight" arguments are but speculation under the assumption that SC is God, and makes no mistakes.

Beyond gold weight, I have done some test wars with another clan and the matches themselves indicated a very strong probability they are not being counted.

[2222]

Some very convoluted theories here on "ghost war weight".

Can I add one more theory?

Maybe it just doesn't work the way it should. Maybe Darian believes it should weigh in, but it doesn't, just as the intended removal of eagles doing triple damage to golems was announced but not implemented.

Sometimes you just have to follow the evidence. Evidence is starting to mount that the unplaced defenses are NOT being weighed.

I have no opinion on the unplaced eagle weight and whether it counts in the war matchmaker other than of course relying on Darian saying it does. We have none in my clan so I don’t know.

As far as his other statement, that gold weights have been adjusted, I definitely think that happened. This is also related to the unplaced eagle weight, though, because I no longer think having the eagle (or infernos) is a disadvantage. For example, 9.11s, in my opinion, are no longer an advantage.

It is difficult to test whether the unplaced eagle counts in the war matchmaker weight, but one thing I would say Papa, is if you are trying to do so, you need to consider that they probably don’t weigh what they used to. You still may have enough evidence to be convinced their weight is 0, but just wanted to throw that out there for you to consider.

[2222]

I would have to agree here.

I think gold weight does work as intended, and the weight that Darian talked about was not implemented correctly so unplaced eagles do not actually count for weight.

These "ghost weight" and "server side weight" arguments are but speculation under the assumption that SC is God, and makes no mistakes.

Beyond gold weight, I have done some test wars with another clan and the matches themselves indicated a very strong probability they are not being counted.

Two different issues here. One is whether purchased but unplaced eagle counts in the war matchmaker weight. The other issue is whether war matchmaker weights have been adjusted. I believe the latter has happened. And, since gold weight didn’t change, that means gold weight is no longer reliable.

[alcusmc]

Not sure if I completely understand, but looks to me like you can engineer th12 if you buy a game pack only, that's very interesting seems like a pay to win move.

[AFrostyBlaze]

Not sure if I completely understand, but looks to me like you can engineer th12 if you buy a game pack only, that's very interesting seems like a pay to win move.

you can't because th12 tends to match th12.

even that th12 with no eagle is still above the th11 with eagle on the map and the th11 has higher point d and infernos

[Wkcinaz1]

you can't because th12 tends to match th12.

even that th12 with no eagle is still above the th11 with eagle on the map and the th11 has higher point d and infernos

This war is in my clan. I found out a long time ago the Th12 itself adds a ton of war weight. Thats why its above the th11 with an eagle. I have a rushed th11 i added infernos and the eagle all lvl 1 and i still placed above a maxed th11 in war. This was a test. If this person placed their eagle they would place mich higher on the war map. Ive been playing for over 5 years and have seen everything the game has had to offer including cheats. This time i can say 100% that the eagle wasnt counted in the war match up. That said I cant say if the war weight was added. I only brought the issue up because if there is something wrong supercell can get on it and clear it up. Its supercells fault that they didnt make them place the eagle before the th12.

[Freshspown]

This time i can say 100% that the eagle wasnt counted in the war match up.

You can say that but that does not make it true. You cannot prove it was not counted in the war match up.

[Tomville]

This war is in my clan. I found out a long time ago the Th12 itself adds a ton of war weight. Thats why its above the th11 with an eagle. I have a rushed th11 i added infernos and the eagle all lvl 1 and i still placed above a maxed th11 in war. This was a test. If this person placed their eagle they would place mich higher on the war map. Ive been playing for over 5 years and have seen everything the game has had to offer including cheats. This time i can say 100% that the eagle wasnt counted in the war match up. That said I cant say if the war weight was added. I only brought the issue up because if there is something wrong supercell can get on it and clear it up. Its supercells fault that they didnt make them place the eagle before the th12.

You are assuming position on the map reflects what weight was counted for the matching, rather than being SC’s attempt to arrange bases in a rough order of difficulty as small feature meant to be a practical help to clans in working out who might attack what (just an attempt, something that existed before engineering was ever a thing when clan war was first introduced).

You cannot say 100% that it was counted, as that doesn’t allow for the run of the mill kind of match disparity we sometimes see, where clan A has more thX than clan B and nobody’s been playing weight games or leaving off defences etc. That just happens sometimes because the pool of other clans searching a war isn’t big enough to always give us a perfect th level matching at multiple map levels. The top th level in the war is the one they most need to get right in having equal numbers of thX on each side, and they seem do that successfully most of the time for most people.

And it’s not SC’s fault than anyone did or didn’t do anything after purchasing a pack - they made an icon to remind you that you had an unplaced item, and never made any representations about war weight, up until recently announcing that now it counts for matching so you might as well place it of you own it.