end of engineers!! so is every one happy with that??

[Ripple1972]

If SC really wanted to end engineering, among the multiple options available, this might have been the worst and poorly communicated. You can talk all about the upcoming feature, and say this is only a step, but it seems as this is a step in the wrong direction.

[Vikingchief]

If SC really wanted to end engineering, among the multiple options available, this might have been the worst and poorly communicated. You can talk all about the upcoming feature, and say this is only a step, but it seems as this is a step in the wrong direction.

Well they stopped us, even though my accounts are just rushed, and If cant get a war I guess engineered is cured. This is the silliest way to do it, Im specifically refering to not supplying matches, Im just gonna play less and gem less, and trust me with 16 accounts, i think 8 12 and 8 11, supercell will miss players like me. Ill still gem a bit, but for war where is spend most gems, if i cant get a war Im of course not gonna gem anything.

[Affront]

As the th 12 kicked engineers out, so is everybody happy with that?
so what will happen to 6aymartynes! and others like them. is it ends now?

it fells horrible so much achievement ends? coz we are jealous about them. we should be shamed.
not them. Its a game and everybody should have the r8 to play as they like.

what to say more.........SC should do something about it.

Engineering a base isn't an achievement, buddy.

When your way of playing steps on a lot of paying customers, then your way of playing will end pretty quickly.

/Affront

[Ripple1972]

Engineering a base isn't an achievement, buddy.

When your way of playing steps on a lot of paying customers, then your way of playing will end pretty quickly.

/Affront

You are so correct, bravo SC for taking quick and immediate action on this issue before it gets out of hand.

Waitaminute, is this a necro from 2016?

[Affront]

You are so correct, bravo SC for taking quick and immediate action on this issue before it gets out of hand.

Waitaminute, is this a necro from 2016?

.. you made me look.

Yeah, an era has come to an end with this upgrade (maybe, I assume that REAL Engineers are figuring it out and that it's only the followers that are complaining) ..

SuperCell may not always saddle the same day as they ride, but when they do, they don't go back.

/Affront

[Tomville]

Very long post, so it must be true, lol

but anyway well written, fully agree

accordng to Tom’s post i am not an engineers then. i was having very wrong perception of myself

Don’t be disingenuous, posts like this make it clear that you happily self-identify as an engineer:
https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...4#post11754804 My “definition” such as it is, makes it automatic that if you tell us you are, then you are.

You also need to add that it doesn't matter if the optimisation provides any real results. Despite the fact that TH x.5 has been debunked as a good way to optimise, people who do it are still engineering because they have the real intent to perform well in the MM.

I think you’re right there, the MM-impacting intent drives the choice even if circumstances make the choice ineffective in what it aims at. No loop there despite what Viking says, such a base is just better called “a badly engineered one trying something that isn’t working”.

In any case none of this definition stuff actually matters. There will always be people trying to min/max their way around anything and far more others just playing the game without any attempt to do that (whether that be from not knowing, not caring, or knowing, caring and actively rejecting that option). The game developer needs to act when the min/maxing runs out of control, becomes too dominant and mainstream, and excessively impacts the game fun of the regular non min-maxing player base or even threatens to become a norm. SC are doing that and rightly so, as we’d reached a point where every third or so Timmy Th9 had missing xbows and was calling itself “engineered” and unfair war matches were epidemic. It’s quite a bit better now, but still not there, especially for lighter total overall weight clans.

Given this it’s pretty obvious why shutting down offence lopsided advantage would be a big step forward on tackling the engineering problem. There will be other min-maxing out there calling itself (and that we may well call) “engineering” but provided that’s confined to a tiny minority and can’t be done by monkey skill level copy/paste and spread virally, then the game will be in a better place.

[kevs926]

engineering wont die.

engineering being referred here has been dead for months now.

[AcemanCOC]

There is a myth going around on the forums. The myth is that maxing your base somehow ensures you an even match. It is not true.

Matchmaker is much improved and even with up to 20% engineers in the lineup we get good even matches war after war.

Maxing does nothing to prevent matching engineers. There is a sticky thread of 102 pages to illustrate this fact in the clan wars forum. But just because you matched an engineer does not mean it is uneven. Both sides still have a good chance of winning.

Bases are only truly maxed for a very short time and most are never maxed at all. Once they are fully maxed, you upgrade the town hall, so your base is only maxed for the couple of weeks, then it becomes a baby TH (next level). The vast majority of players pull the trigger on the next town hall early. I myself spent a little over a year at TH10, and never truly maxed. I still had many levels to go on my heroes, and a few walls when an event offered up advantages to builders that tempted me into going to 11.

Because there is a variety of levels at any town hall, and greater range as the town halls increase, there is no such thing as an even match, even among "maxers". One player is new to the level. Another has been working on his base for a year. One player upgraded wizard towers first. Another decided splash damage defenses add more weight so he upgraded AT and Cannons. A third poured his gold into walls until army camps and key war troops were full strength. All can lay claim to the title of "maxer" but their bases will play very differently in war. And these differences mean there is no even match.

But there are good close matches, with all varieties of lineups. Maxed. Engineered. Potioneers. Rushed. X.5. Hybrid.

Part of the problem is what we define as an even match. If you look at your war log and it shows your last 50 as 25-25 +/- 5, chances are you are getting even matches. If you expect to win 90% of your wars, your matches are probably not even. For every winner there is a loser. If you define "even" match to mean a match we will win automatically, then you and I are using different definitions of the word "even".

I have heard the call before: "Engineering is dead. Upgrade now or face dire consequences." I have always waited for the change, and my engineered accounts have never suffered. So when you tell me something is coming, I still take a wait and see approach. So far, I have not been wrong. Yet.

Play the game the way you enjoy playing. Clash on.

Great post.

[KingAroth]

End of Engineers. News to me. I wish it was the end. I just got matched up with a clan with a TH10 low defense account with the usual mass dragons/double zap quake offense to easily take out my top 2 bases. Well it will be a draw again maybe they suck and will not figure out our other bases. End of engineers? Ha!

[Ripple1972]

There is a myth going around on the forums.

Maxing does nothing to prevent matching engineers. There is a sticky thread of 102 pages to illustrate this fact in the clan wars forum. But just because you matched an engineer does not mean it is uneven. Both sides still have a good chance of winning.

But there are good close matches, with all varieties of lineups. Maxed. Engineered. Potioneers. Rushed. X.5. Hybrid.

Play the game the way you enjoy playing. Clash on.

Agree with a lot even what I snipped. A proper matchmaker would be able to accurately weigh offense and defense and match, regardless of builds. SC has a poor track record of accuracy.

Unfortunately, play the way you enjoy, no longer includes upgrading when you want, and matchmaking now has a 30 page thread of I cannot find a match. So, play and build how you want, as long as everything is built and you don’t want to war.

20 hours waiting on a 10 v 10, is not the way I want to play.