end of engineers!! so is every one happy with that??

[Kirch3b21]

As the th 12 kicked engineers out, so is everybody happy with that?
so what will happen. is it ends now?

it fells horrible so much achievement ends? coz we are jealous about them. we should be shamed.
not them. Its a game and everybody should have the r8 to play as they like.

what to say more.........SC should do something about it.

It’s not the end of engineers just because they have to build a lvl 1 defense

[2222]

Dont worry, those of us with the "old" engineered bases cant use them as they (I) cannot get a war match. Takes many days to find a match. MM is so tight, two days is minimum search for opponent. Now I'm headed to day three of spinning.

That depends on the engineering. It isn’t hard to find a match if the engineering is common.

[AFrostyBlaze]

Dont worry, those of us with the "old" engineered bases cant use them as they (I) cannot get a war match. Takes many days to find a match. MM is so tight, two days is minimum search for opponent. Now I'm headed to day three of spinning.

not only that but you probably won't get an advantage out of it...

we faced a clan with a lot of .5s and .11s toward the beginning of last week and we had an 11 eagle 17 inferno advantage lol

[Prutser]

Engineering is still very much possible. We, 4 TH12, 3 Th11, 1 TH10, 1 Th9 and 1 TH8 vs them 4 TH12 (2 maxxed!), 4 TH11, 2 TH10. OF course one of their TH11 and both TH10s are not carrying much defensive wait, our TH9/Th8 will have no problem with them. However those engineered TH11/TH10s have NO problem 2 starring our TH12's with their second attacks while our TH8 and 9 have nothing else to do then scout. This sucks. SC, please start weighing offense more.

[joshsgrandad]

Engineering is still very much possible. We, 4 TH12, 3 Th11, 1 TH10, 1 Th9 and 1 TH8 vs them 4 TH12 (2 maxxed!), 4 TH11, 2 TH10. OF course one of their TH11 and both TH10s are not carrying much defensive wait, our TH9/Th8 will have no problem with them. However those engineered TH11/TH10s have NO problem 2 starring our TH12's with their second attacks while our TH8 and 9 have nothing else to do then scout. This sucks. SC, please start weighing offense more.

Ok.. So you get an easy 3 on an 11 and 2x 10s. They get the potential of some 2 stars. Yours is a given, but theirs isn't.
It seems to me that you got the better deal still, since you carry more than enough for their 2 star attacks to be pretty irrelevant anyway

[AFrostyBlaze]

we're against some pseudo engineers this war.

down 4 th12s but up 2 th11s, we have a 2 eagle advantage and 7 inferno advantage on defense. their extra 12s are all level 1 inferno/1 eagle th12s that were 9.11s of some sort that wanted th12 so bad they recently dropped inferno/eagle to do it. also we have 6 max giga teslas and they have 0 max giga teslas (i think that matters since we've never seen a max giga tesla get 3 starred in war)

overall its a pretty fair looking war offensively, max th11s have no shot to survive so its going to come down to the top 20 of the 40 bases on defense anyway.

[2222]

Engineering is still very much possible. We, 4 TH12, 3 Th11, 1 TH10, 1 Th9 and 1 TH8 vs them 4 TH12 (2 maxxed!), 4 TH11, 2 TH10. OF course one of their TH11 and both TH10s are not carrying much defensive wait, our TH9/Th8 will have no problem with them. However those engineered TH11/TH10s have NO problem 2 starring our TH12's with their second attacks while our TH8 and 9 have nothing else to do then scout. This sucks. SC, please start weighing offense more.

Both teams have 4 th12s and their team has one extra th11 offense. I don’t think we can expect the matchmaker to be much better than that.

[Prutser]

Ok.. So you get an easy 3 on an 11 and 2x 10s. They get the potential of some 2 stars. Yours is a given, but theirs isn't.
It seems to me that you got the better deal still, since you carry more than enough for their 2 star attacks to be pretty irrelevant anyway

No, ours is not given, out TH8 / TH9 can in NO way 2 star the TH12s, while their defenseless TH11/10 can. They win 3 extra attacks that are meaning something!

[Prutser]

Both teams have 4 th12s and their team has one extra th11 offense. I don’t think we can expect the matchmaker to be much better than that.

Yes it CAN and SHOULD be better. It should take into account the offense of those extra TH11 and TH10 at the bottom. I do not understand that you guys do not see the glaring advantage that still exists of offense versus defense.

[Vikingchief]

Both teams have 4 th12s and their team has one extra th11 offense. I don’t think we can expect the matchmaker to be much better than that.

Its very interering, our wars are crazy even in 2 of the clans Im in, makes me wonder If double list matchmaking is in play given the long weight times. In one of our expriements we were spinning for days (1 day maybe) then added a defencless 11 to the offencless 11 already i lineup and got a match in 48 minutes. This makes sens since combined list would have simply matched the offencless 11 to a th10 or 9 (i assume nerfs weight tax is weakly implemented), and the offenclesss should not have pose a problem (unless it were flagged, in which case we all Owe ck2 a fat apology). In double list (and single list in this specific case) it would as the offence weight of a th3 would have struggle to find a clan with similar low offence and a th9 defence level. When the defencless came in then we had a th3 offence and th5 defence (i guess) which i think matched to a th5 If i rememeber correctly. The argument is actually equally valid for single or doubt list (and both would explain long weight times), allthough their are other equally valid explanations for long weight times, including stricter lane error limiters, and stricter controls on offence level, warden existence etc.