Can we please get a sticky to collect data on super long war search?

[MajorJohnson]

The way you used it the first time was and you know it. Be honest you wanted to shame him into stop posting. Pretty sure that is against forum rules.

I don't mind having a spirited debate and didnt see anything he said as being offensive.

[Ajax]

The way you used it the first time was and you know it. Be honest you wanted to shame him into stop posting. Pretty sure that is against forum rules.

While I am 100% certain you are simply wrong.

I will admit, my first thought was along the same lines as yours, but then unlike you, before taking action, I thought to actually look, and found the posts and realised it was fine.

[Ajax]

You haven't responded to my post either so why even quote me?

Of course I was responding to your post. Please don't be silly.

[MajorJohnson]

So you think you have a strategy that is advantageous and don't want to share it. Fairy nuff. But then you are complaining that the strategy isn't working any longer and therefore the game is broken. That's the bit that doesn't compute.

IMO engineering is player vs SC. Player tries to figure out how to optimise for the MM, SC tries to close any loopholes and tighten up the MM. Can be quite interesting technically. I started an outright engineered account way back in Oct 2015. But I gave up working on it a few months later because quite frankly SC weren't playing the game. It was like playing chess against a 5-year and trying to win.

But SC have started playing the game now. For the MM to more or less reject any line-up that it regards as incapable of a fair match is a perfectly valid outcome; certainly in the face of a deliberately engineered clan. So now engineering has gotten harder. An engineer needs a clan that's close enough to normal to get a match, while being at an advantage, and while many of the matching parameters appear to have been obscured much more (see my comments on gold weights). It's starting to sound interesting. It's almost sounding tempting... but most of my speculations of what may come next feel like the asteroid rushing towards the dinosaurs.

Anyways, feel free to engineer away. But the game isn't broken if it rejects your attempt. You can get a match with a sensible line-up if you want. Or it's possible to engineer an advantage still. But it's gotten harder and now failure is a possibility.

Matchmaker IS broken if I am spending all my time trying to spin a war for our clan. I spent the whole last 2 days just trying to include members in war, respinning different lineups than actually playing the game.

[2222]

Funny you made it clear you understood I wasn’t looking for advice yet you were asking for the clan tag right. Come clean like Tank you thought I was lying right?

I understood you didn’t want advice after I had asked for your clan tag. Have you read my first post yet? Literally in my first post you can see I did not say it was from engineering. I have a feeling you aren’t even reading what I’m writing. Let me spell it out for you one last time. My clan has engineering accounts yet no problem finding a quick match. I don’t know why you think I was ever accusing you of engineering being the problem given I have made that clear from the beginning.

Again no roster or base engineering and still long search times.

Whether all those th7s added to your roster is a form of roster engineering is debatable but irrelevant. The point is they probably contribute to your long search time.

[joshsgrandad]

This is blaming and shaming trying to scare people to stop posting something you don’t agree with. I may not use engineering but. He has a right to complain about super long war search without being blamed and shamed. After you scare people into not posting you can say “ it can’t be a problem no one is posting about it” nice plan but we can see right through it.

It is a discussion site. It depends on your perspective, as to how you perceive what people are posting.
Your stance is obvious, as you stated such. You think anyone should match, regardless of what roster is put out, and don't really care about the quality, that is secondary. Unfortunately for you, many more people want a fair, balanced match, which is what the mods are saying. More importantly, SC want players to have a fair, balanced war.
I roster engineer, which I think is used to try and shame me, not really sure, don't really care. But funny thing is, we just had another quick match, and once again, it is a fair match up. We have bigger walls and heroes, they have 2 bases with ferno. Funny world, when roster engineering gets quick, even matches. In my case, nothing much has changed, as we are balanced, so far as the MM is concerned, which is really the only important factor.
NB.. I have visited, and chatted with Major. He is a very intelligent, and enlightened guy. Anybody can name him, as he is a popular poster. But nobody can shame him. He is way above that.

[MajorJohnson]

It is a discussion site. It depends on your perspective, as to how you perceive what people are posting.
Your stance is obvious, as you stated such. You think anyone should match, regardless of what roster is put out, and don't really care about the quality, that is secondary. Unfortunately for you, many more people want a fair, balanced match, which is what the mods are saying. More importantly, SC want players to have a fair, balanced war.
I roster engineer, which I think is used to try and shame me, not really sure, don't really care. But funny thing is, we just had another quick match, and once again, it is a fair match up. We have bigger walls and heroes, they have 2 bases with ferno. Funny world, when roster engineering gets quick, even matches. In my case, nothing much has changed, as we are balanced, so far as the MM is concerned, which is really the only important factor.
NB.. I have visited, and chatted with Major. He is a very intelligent, and enlightened guy. Anybody can name him, as he is a popular poster. But nobody can shame him. He is way above that.

Thanks for the props mate!

One thing I would note is that a couple weeks after the last matchmaking change (september of last year) I went on a journey and was a part of another clan called war gamerz for about a month or so. They were using tons of engineered 11s at first but ended up basically kicking everyone from the clan and running only max bases to go on a 60 win streak.

So if we want to talk about results of match, engineering may not even be as advantageous as a few people who know what they are doing with a bunch of max bases.

I do feel proud to have so many people making a fuss about me but I don't care if people disagree with the way I play the game. What I actually disagree with is the players that say they engineer only because they are getting outmatched by engineers and hate it. Either you do or don't, but make to qualms about what you do and apologize for nothing. Even my main account has always been engineered, starting about 2 months into the game and regardless what supercell does, players who engineer accounts will always have the advantage.

No, what makes me angry is having to force out our long time members from war and waste MY time just trying to get us a war.

Now I will be dreading wasting another 2 days trying to get a match instead of farming and have our clan members get angry at me for not including them in war.

That is not acceptable to me.

[joshsgrandad]

As an aside, which is linked to the matching issue. We are at a 4 vs 3 th10 disparity, with 2 of their 10s carrying lvl 3 ferno. Doesn't seem a lot except that we run light, and one of our 10s is barely red yet. Our walls and heroes may be cause, but read earlier about not dropping items may lead to a disadvantage in war. I will be monitoring for this potential over the next war or 2. It just could be, that this update is putting a whole new face on war, and optimising.

[Ajax]

As an aside, which is linked to the matching issue. We are at a 4 vs 3 th10 disparity, with 2 of their 10s carrying lvl 3 ferno. Doesn't seem a lot except that we run light, and one of our 10s is barely red yet. Our walls and heroes may be cause, but read earlier about not dropping items may lead to a disadvantage in war. I will be monitoring for this potential over the next war or 2. It just could be, that this update is putting a whole new face on war, and optimising.

The not dropping items only applies if you have the items, but have not yet built them. Which normally means you bought one of the packs you get offered immediately after a TH upgrade, but have left the xbows/infernos/eagles unplaced.

If you do that, they will still count against your war weight now - they used to only count if you had actually placed them on at least one of your main or war base.

[samratulangi]

The not dropping items only applies if you have the items, but have not yet built them. Which normally means you bought one of the packs you get offered immediately after a TH upgrade, but have left the xbows/infernos/eagles unplaced.

If you do that, they will still count against your war weight now - they used to only count if you had actually placed them on at least one of your main or war base.

Luckily SC can do it without customer consent, and no one can do any lawsuit against it, since all village is belong to SC not to ours as the chiefs, lol

SC may lose so many Chiefs this way.