That’s one nail in the engineering coffin..how about another?

[xxTIJxx]

Mate. if I was in charge, I would nerf 12s, 11s, and big 10s too. Since our top base is a non max, non IT th10 base, then every base that could kill our 10 would be set fire to. But unfortunately I am not in charge. I am not even an employee of SC.
Forget the max 11. The question is.. Do you use the d/less 10 in war?. If its a yes, then it does have an impact in war.
I should copy and paste the next bit... our clan doesn't mind facing engi in war, we have better success with them, than with an account that carries bigger defence. Our bases can defend better than we can attack, as our heroes are below par. What I would fear would be an off/less base.
I suspect clans that don't run with filler accounts and draw us wont be happy either, but it doesn't stop us doing it, and I doubt they will copy, as they have their own play style, one of the reasons why we don't use d/less for war. Biggest reason I ignored the obvious benefits of using them tho, was their inflexibility, so any change would render the account useless.

reason defenseless has no impact in our environment ... because its th level is lower than max th we have ... so it cannot contribute in any way to deciseve stars and % at the top

since i did that account not for war ... it never bothered me if it becomes useless in war ... like i say i do not mind if they put defencive weight on defenseless account even if i dont have those defences (then it will be my fault for not having those defences ... but since war was not reason i did that account ... it does not bother me)

you cannot be fair to all ... all you can do is be equally unfair to everybody (think its from david gerrold “matter for man”) ... so allow engineers ... put minimum defencive weight on them when they upgrade th ... increasy that defencive weight progressively with their attack power (even though they dont build anything new or upgrade any defences) ... so it would be their fault for weighing so heavily in war without having build/upgraded any defences ... but dont take it away

[TankSinatra]

reason defenseless has no impact in our environment ... because its th level is lower than max th we have ... so it cannot contribute in any way to deciseve stars and % at the top

since i did that account not for war ... it never bothered me if it becomes useless in war ... like i say i do not mind if they put defencive weight on defenseless account even if i dont have those defences (then it will be my fault for not having those defences ... but since war was not reason i did that account ... it does not bother me)

I have good news for you, you can accomplish this yourself very easily. Drop level 1 defenses, you'll be up to a matchable weight in no time. Shouldn't be a problem since you don't mind adding weight.

[xxTIJxx]

I have good news for you, you can accomplish this yourself very easily. Drop level 1 defenses, you'll be up to a matchable weight in no time. Shouldn't be a problem since you don't mind adding weight.

the chalenge for me was to do this without any defences ... but if SC does not want it ... oh well, i tried to convince you ... since i cannot even do that ... fat chance SC will listen

like the saying goes ... no point crying about it ... cannot fight them ... just join them ... the path of least resistance

probably going to drop that account ... not as challenging anymore (and no ... there will be no free loot for ya all ... that base just have one lv1 mine and one lv1 collector ... bare minimum lol)

... going to just stick to my main account then


thx for advise though

[ExpertSAQ]

Requiring placement of all buildings before upgrading is a huge step forward in putting unfair (and unsportsmanlike) engineering in the game’s past. Hats off to SC for taking this step forward.

Unfortunately, it’s just one step short of where we need to go to put engineering firmly in the rear view mirror. This change prevents the go-forward, but does nothing to rectify the existing situation and I’ve no doubt there are plenty of new TH11 defenseless, shell games being spun up since the announcement (I’ve run into a bunch while raiding).

The next step is to prevent these lopsided, engineered games from even being able to participate in Clan Wars. It shouldn’t be too hard with the must-place-all requirement in force after the update - just render any game that does not have all buildings from the previous level as ineligible for war. Then require certain levels of XP to upgrade and, finally, to war.

Sure...we’ll see TH11/TH12 games with everything level 1 but resources and barracks - that’s a given and I’m sure It will be the new engineering mantra in the future. But this is the logical next step.

1) Prevent future, defenseless/lopsided bases from being created.
2) Disincentivize the keeping of defenseless/lopsided bases by not allowing them to war (based on placement of all structures from the previous level).
3) Require specific XP levels to move to the next TH (like Boom Beach).
4) Restrict access to war within each TH level by XP level.

Boom - no more gaming the CW matchmaker.

Right now, we have a TH8 and lower CW going on one of my clans. The opposing clan has a TH11 near-defenseless - with several max level troops - and it came in at #10 on their rankings. It weighs in as a TH7 (and not even a maxed TH7). Last war on another was similar - a TH11 weighing beneath early TH10s, even though it had several defenses deployed and maxed. This is only possible through selective placement and upgrade.

Oh to dream! Keep tightening them screws....

Being an engineer, I can circumvent all the points you have written. One needs some crazy tactics.

[Dexter70]

Engineering have been a lot better addressed since a few months ago. It seems clans are weighted against each other by matching one clans offense to the other clans defense and vice versa and after that calculating the actual match. I of course can not tell for sure but it seems pretty much like it. We've met a lot of clans with one or two engineered th11's but the total advantage they should have, have been mitigated elsewhere in the roster thus sometimes actually give them a disadvantage in war due to the lopsided th11's not being able to "hit alike".
Clans that are carefully choosing who are to be in cw thus making a roster that is hard to pick many stars on and also have good attacking skills are very hard to beat. This is the way it should be though.

[Spiratmaster]

Engineering have been a lot better addressed since a few months ago. It seems clans are weighted against each other by matching one clans offense to the other clans defense and vice versa and after that calculating the actual match. I of course can not tell for sure but it seems pretty much like it. We've met a lot of clans with one or two engineered th11's but the total advantage they should have, have been mitigated elsewhere in the roster thus sometimes actually give them a disadvantage in war due to the lopsided th11's not being able to "hit alike".
Clans that are carefully choosing who are to be in cw thus making a roster that is hard to pick many stars on and also have good attacking skills are very hard to beat. This is the way it should be though.

🎉🎉🎉🎉 i cant say better!
the truth is that minimax do not spend time and money in defenses, you said something right, the cw were already balanced.
but unfortunately many unable to fight in cw are champions of gnegnegne 😭