That’s one nail in the engineering coffin..how about another?

[TankSinatra]

Suspect this will be the end. If there was a "must drop" rule when th11 was introduced, we'd have maybe a third of the complaints we see today, any clan with a significant number of heavy 10s & 11s just wouldn't stress engineers much.
This change alone will have a huge effect, though it'll still be nutty at lower levels. Next hammer to drop will probably be phantom weight - full weight credited for the missing buildings.
I decided to enjoy the engineering side of the game years ago, and its good that I did. Wouldn't have been much use to be a maxxer instead, angry and bitter for years that SC refuses to cater to my build style. I'll be sad to see it go, but as always SC gets to set the rules & I get to choose my response - adapt, quit, etc.

[Alishr99]

Suspect this will be the end. If there was a "must drop" rule when th11 was introduced, we'd have maybe a third of the complaints we see today, any clan with a significant number of heavy 10s & 11s just wouldn't stress engineers much.
This change alone will have a huge effect, though it'll still be nutty at lower levels. Next hammer to drop will probably be phantom weight - full weight credited for the missing buildings.
I decided to enjoy the engineering side of the game years ago, and its good that I did. Wouldn't have been much use to be a maxxer instead, angry and bitter for years that SC refuses to cater to my build style. I'll be sad to see it go, but as always SC gets to set the rules & I get to choose my response - adapt, quit, etc.

golden for this

enjoy everything that's working as the game offered

I find myself bored with engineering
so I'm more than welcome with new rule and th 12

[Ripple1972]

The war scene needs to change as the game evolves and it’s long since been neglected. Engineering completely ruins the war side of the game for anyone below the top level or two. Now, if the idea is that CW should be just for TH11/TH12...then engineering really isn’t an issue. That’s never been the case, though.

Requiring placement of all structures before upgrading eliminates the most flagrant engineering in the future, but it doesn’t really eliminate the problem for the vast majority of clans, especially since there are so many already in play. Some players will upgrade properly afterwards, but for most, there’s just no reason to drop everything as they will still enjoy all the benefits of their lopsided TH11 for the next couple of years.

Engineering has killed the war scene for a LOT of players. It’s become the norm - a nearly required part of the game to be able to compete effectively. You almost have to have a ringer or two in place because the other side almost surely will. I flat quit warring altogether for over a year because of it (and everyone knows how much of a CoC junkie I am). But, I do think SC could have easily addressed it if they chose to do so; hopefully, this is an indication that the lip service we’ve had for a couple years now is moving to real solutions.

For someone who hasn’t warred for a year, you sure seem to have your finger on the pulse of clan wars. Oh wait, there is no pulse because a small group of people have destroyed this part of the game.

[Tosti111]

Suspect this will be the end. If there was a "must drop" rule when th11 was introduced, we'd have maybe a third of the complaints we see today, any clan with a significant number of heavy 10s & 11s just wouldn't stress engineers much.
This change alone will have a huge effect, though it'll still be nutty at lower levels. Next hammer to drop will probably be phantom weight - full weight credited for the missing buildings.
I decided to enjoy the engineering side of the game years ago, and its good that I did. Wouldn't have been much use to be a maxxer instead, angry and bitter for years that SC refuses to cater to my build style. I'll be sad to see it go, but as always SC gets to set the rules & I get to choose my response - adapt, quit, etc.

I am glad you enjoyed engineering Tank, but i don’t think you represented the maxxer mentality fairly. I have fully enjoyed being a maxxer, havent been bitter or angry. I have not however asked SC to cater to my playstyle, I HAVE asked that matches be equitable despite the differences in playstyle. That does not equate asking for any ‘catering’.

[xXXCHRISXXx]

I’m really annoyed to see everyone punished for what only a section of the player base takes advantage of and what could also be restricted differently without hitting everyone equally with this rubbish. It’s not a step forward imo, it’s a step backward.

Ah, therein lies the gist of it Fette. EVERYONE is being hit equally now. Sounds about fair to me. War is big, idk how you could deny it isn’t. Imo it’s way more than just a mini game, it is the game. Leaving the war scene in the current state it was in was really hurting the game. Could they have did better? Possibly. I’m sure this isn’t the last of the changes coming down the pipe either...

[Ripple1972]

Ah, therein lies the gist of it Fette. EVERYONE is being hit equally now. Sounds about fair to me. War is big, idk how you could deny it isn’t. Imo it’s way more than just a mini game, it is the game. Leaving the war scene in the current state it was in was really hurting the game. Could they have did better? Possibly. I’m sure this isn’t the last of the changes coming down the pipe either...

This is my issue... Until they reveal what else this is just conjecture. It eliminates TH12 engineering, but is one of the least intelligent choices to fix the war scene. There have been numerous other suggestions, and this is the developers saying they cannot properly weigh offense/defense. It is too complex, so we will take the simplest choice.

[TankSinatra]

I am glad you enjoyed engineering Tank, but i don’t think you represented the maxxer mentality fairly. I have fully enjoyed being a maxxer, havent been bitter or angry. I have not however asked SC to cater to my playstyle, I HAVE asked that matches be equitable despite the differences in playstyle. That does not equate asking for any ‘catering’.

Maybe I spend too much time on the forum, but "angry and bitter" fairly describes a lot of maxxers when the subject of engineering comes up. Drove OP out of wars entirely for a year didn't it? If I'd stuck with maxxing years ago that'd probably be me too, or more likely I'd be on a different game.
And I think most posters are always demanding that SC cater to them, and its pointless as SC won't be following orders issued in the forum. But how else do you interpret this thread - the proposal isn't for fairness, isn't for reweighing, isn't for separation between maxer wars and engineer wars - its a punitive idea to prevent engineers from warring at all.

[xXXCHRISXXx]

For someone who hasn’t warred for a year, you sure seem to have your finger on the pulse of clan wars. Oh wait, there is no pulse because a small group of people have destroyed this part of the game.

What group of people is that, Ripple? Please do not go the route I think you’re going. Maxxers didn’t ruin it.

What’s that saying? You play with fire, you’ll be burnt. Yeah, I’ll apply it here. You guys knew full well you were skirting the boundaries with some of these builds. The game didn’t tell you to do it. You guys seen a hole and shot through it thinking it’d never close. I always had the feeling it would be nerfed, hence why I stayed in the side of the fence I did.

[xXXCHRISXXx]

This is my issue... Until they reveal what else this is just conjecture. It eliminates TH12 engineering, but is one of the least intelligent choices to fix the war scene. There have been numerous other suggestions, and this is the developers saying they cannot properly weigh offense/defense. It is too complex, so we will take the simplest choice.

Idk Ripple, I , along with all of you here, do not see the other side of Supercell’s paper. Maybe this really is the only way they could make things work remotely fair? I don’t know? Supercell isn’t the type to spill the beans and let everyone in on their train of thoughts. Maybe it’s the only way...

[Ripple1972]

What group of people is that, Ripple? Please do not go the route I think you’re going. Maxxers didn’t ruin it.

What’s that saying? You play with fire, you’ll be burnt. Yeah, I’ll apply it here. You guys knew full well you were skirting the boundaries with some of these builds. The game didn’t tell you to do it. You guys seen a hole and shot through it thinking it’d never close. I always had the feeling it would be nerfed, hence why I stayed in the side of the fence I did.

The OP who hasn’t warred in a year seemed to have full statistics that engineers destroyed wars. I think it’s a tired argument. How many (percentage) truly well engineered clans have people seen. You can put GM and b@war in their own class. Then maybe 2 to 5% that really know what they are doing. Win percent over 90, advantage in most wars. It’s a small percent from what I have seen.