Please don’t nerf the Super Pekka!

[Shadrach777]

Just to throw it out there, I think things may have been miscommunicated. Even though the tool tip says she does so much damage on death, she actually doesn't. In fact she does 1 explosion damage level less. I've created a thread about this before. I'm speculating this isn't so much of a nerf as it is a correction to the tool tip.

I'm still asking for buffs, but I strongly believe this isn't a nerf.

[Malecite00]

Just to throw it out there, I think things may have been miscommunicated. Even though the tool tip says she does so much damage on death, she actually doesn't. In fact she does 1 explosion damage level less. I've created a thread about this before. I'm speculating this isn't so much of a nerf as it is a correction to the tool tip.

I'm still asking for buffs, but I strongly believe this isn't a nerf.

Even if it is a miscommunication I would hope they could look at the unit. It dramatically under performs compared to other units and suffers brutally from push traps and a lack of HP. I don't really get this units place atm, it can't really tank as 2 giants have equivalent HP, the damage output is pretty bad given that when the singular unit dies you lose all DPS, VS other units that still retain dps as model counts drop. It just doesn't seem to do anything better than other units which is probably why I find it almost entirely useless atm.

[WookieFloyd]

I have the SP maxed. It is not as strong as other max ground troops already and now they are making it weaker. I never want to rely just on myself as an average player, so I also look to the top players who have a choice of max troops, including max SP. They aren’t using it either. I should not have said “no one” uses it. I even myself use it from time to time just for something different, but 99% of players with a choice are going to find other ground troops more powerful than the SP and that is despite the fact that only 98% of statistics are made up.

I never said it was the strongest max troop but it isn't useless as you described it. I don't look to top players because I feel I can determine for myself what is working and what is not for me to get my wins, nor do I feel like I am playing under the same circumstances as max pushers in high trophy ranges. Also saying no one uses it because the top players aren't seems a little biased. I would venture to guess not many top players are using night witches either but they are a heavily used troop at many trophy levels below the top people. I would venture to guess that as more of the lower trophy players get max SP you will see its usage go up dramatically. As it stands now I am still the only member of my clan with max SP and I would bet most clans are in the same boat with minimal players actually having the ability to use a max SP without potions.

How many trophies? Try to use it above 4.5k. It's impossible to win with it. I've dropped 500 trophies today just to see if I can get a single 3 star. I'll never use pekka again because giants are MUCH stronger.

I sit in the 4200 to 4600 range it seems most seasons. I don't push and just get my 3 wins a day unless clan games are going on. I found SP to work just fine for me. I could pull 3*s on occasion but it was mostly a solid 2*. I am not saying that they are better than giants but they are not a useless troop by any stretch of it.

BUT I AGREE SP DOESN'T NEED A NERF.

[Noctaire]

So...a note of support here - I’ve run first Mass-SP, the PEKKA Carts, since BH8 dropped. I‘ve posted lots and lots of replays with them in my videos. Anyone who has seen me use them would be hard pressed to say they are useless - they are FAR from it and still one of my favorite troops. And I typically play around 5000 cups on that game, without any pushing whatsoever.

The L16 troop is very useful at the lower-to-mid levels where defenses are weaker. Against more developed games, it becomes more a matter of how you wield the troop than the troop alone. Eventually, this game is going to move away from the generic strats and to a more custom, designed on-the-fly, army composition with 4-6 different troops that are targeted toward specific base designs. (This already works well against maxed games for those who understand the troops.)

[Colin94]

So...a note of support here - I’ve run first Mass-SP, the PEKKA Carts, since BH8 dropped. I‘ve posted lots and lots of replays with them in my videos. Anyone who has seen me use them would be hard pressed to say they are useless - they are FAR from it and still one of my favorite troops. And I typically play around 5000 cups on that game, without any pushing whatsoever.

The L16 troop is very useful at the lower-to-mid levels where defenses are weaker. Against more developed games, it becomes more a matter of how you wield the troop than the troop alone. Eventually, this game is going to move away from the generic strats and to a more custom, designed on-the-fly, army composition with 4-6 different troops that are targeted toward specific base designs. (This already works well against maxed games for those who understand the troops.)

Do you have a video where you use them against maxed bases? Just tried them again and failed 7 attacks in a row with 50-60% results. The same attacks with giants would have been 70% or more. My pekka are lvl 15 but this shouldn't be a big difference. Imo they are useless but maybe I just use them wrong. Tried to copy attacks from your videos but this doesn't work against max bh8.

[Malecite00]

Do you have a video where you use them against maxed bases? Just tried them again and failed 7 attacks in a row with 50-60% results. The same attacks with giants would have been 70% or more. My pekka are lvl 15 but this shouldn't be a big difference. Imo they are useless but maybe I just use them wrong. Tried to copy attacks from your videos but this doesn't work against max bh8.

This has been my experience. Could of had a 80% or better with barbs, but pekka gets low 50s or maybe a 60 if I'm lucky. I just don't know how to handle the AI randomness, CC troops, spring traps, and the fact that they just seem to get melted by BH8 defenses. I've also watched Nocs replays but they just fall apart against higher level bases and defenses. The one base they seem to do well against is the big blob surrounded by walls where they don't all clump up and get massacred by splash damage, or all run after the CC troops.

[Noctaire]

Do you have a video where you use them against maxed bases? Just tried them again and failed 7 attacks in a row with 50-60% results. The same attacks with giants would have been 70% or more. My pekka are lvl 15 but this shouldn't be a big difference. Imo they are useless but maybe I just use them wrong. Tried to copy attacks from your videos but this doesn't work against max bh8.

No idea; I go through replays pretty quick and only really save the threeplays until I use them in a video. Most of the time, once you start hitting maxed bases, you need to start considering the base layout before running a strat. In other words - against maxed bases, one-size-fits-all no longer fits.

Mass PEKKA works well against the typical, L6/L7 (or lower) defending BH8 with an open design. PEKKA Carts works well against the same and a few diamonds with unique pathing at the same level. As defenses reach L7/L8, MSP stops producing consistent results and Mass PEKKA starts to narrow its effectiveness. By the time defenses are mostly L8, PEKKA Carts really only works well against the big, open box designs (everything in the middle of a big box). Likewise, there are a few diamond bases that effectively route CC based attacks; you’re often better off switching to air or RB/SA strats against these.

The SP has always done well for me around 4000 trophies and, more recently, 3800-4200. After that, I tend to use GiCart and GiBoCC, with the occasional Big Bart (GiBoCC + RBs), Minion Drops, and Mitch.

In the future, it will make more sense to use hybrid armies that are custom picked for the base with no “dominant” troop - say something with 1 SP, 2 CC, 1 RB, 1SA, and 1 BG for example. Of course, that largely depends on where SC goes with giving us walls, but it works already so I expect to see it used more often.

For some reason, these debates seem to focus on top level play. That’s 300 or so players - a different breed; there are a few hundred thousand others where that thinking does not apply. I’m surprised SC is going to put in a nerf for the SP but I am hoping that is just precursor to a buff in other areas of the SP. In reality, they’re nerfing the least effective aspect of the SP (which makes even less sense).

[2222]

I never said it was the strongest max troop but it isn't useless as you described it. I don't look to top players because I feel I can determine for myself what is working and what is not for me to get my wins, nor do I feel like I am playing under the same circumstances as max pushers in high trophy ranges. Also saying no one uses it because the top players aren't seems a little biased. I would venture to guess not many top players are using night witches either but they are a heavily used troop at many trophy levels below the top people. I would venture to guess that as more of the lower trophy players get max SP you will see its usage go up dramatically. As it stands now I am still the only member of my clan with max SP and I would bet most clans are in the same boat with minimal players actually having the ability to use a max SP without potions.



I sit in the 4200 to 4600 range it seems most seasons. I don't push and just get my 3 wins a day unless clan games are going on. I found SP to work just fine for me. I could pull 3*s on occasion but it was mostly a solid 2*. I am not saying that they are better than giants but they are not a useless troop by any stretch of it.

BUT I AGREE SP DOESN'T NEED A NERF.

Just to clarify, I didn’t say I only looked to top players. I noted that I have multiple accounts, with every option maxed and SP are much weaker than other max ground options. However, just in case it was different higher up, I also look to those camps and I just don’t see players using SP, even if they have them maxed. The troop needs a buff and it is getting a nerf. I can’t understand it.

[amitchandan]

Just finished maxing SPK n got this disappointing news....all effort gone in vain ��

[Doallyn]

Maxed my SP as soon as I could and they can't match barbs and boxer giants. I still use SP as it's cost so much but nerfing the death blast which can't really take out a max defence makes no sense.

The pekka need a a buff mainly to HP as at the moment they don't offer enough to the attack to push through to higher trophy numbers against max defences