How Can Supercell Get you to Upgrade your Permabase?

[StormHeart]

That's a bit simplified but you are not entirely wrong. Afraid to drop defenses is certainly happening. It is also a mistake. It will get you matched to engineers and if you are not engineered, you certainly don't want that. If you are engineered, you hope that you'll match to non-engineered but that rarely happens any longer.

Not dropping all defenses is no longer a good strategy. Now, not maxing them still works pretty well.

I will not max any base because of war weight, not until I am ready to go to the next TH level. It's the worst thing you can do in war right now. Many don't get that but I've never been more certain of anything. Do not max your base until you are ready to go to the next TH if you are a warrior. If you're a farmer, sure max everything and hold on to your loot.

You're not wrong, many are afraid to drop defenses but that's also a huge mistake. Drop, just don't max. :P Unless you like engineering and want to try to out engineer others. I can see the challenge in that too. It's not for me but not maxing my defenses could be considered mild engineering.

For example, I have a FULLY maxed TH9 EXCEPT I have level 2 xbows and unless I got to TH10 they will stay at level 2. We now have 29 wars without a loss. It works well.

We don't see the massive engineers doing what we are doing. In our prior war, we did get engineers but they just had a TH9 at the bottom and a week one at their bottom 9s. That made it easy to kill our TH8s but that's all it did. We will kill almost any TH8 with our 8s so that doesn't hurt us and ends up taking their two extra TH9s out of the war. They are too weak to be a threat to our TH9s. So what if they kill our TH8s, we killed theirs too and our 9s attacked only 9s.

I hope they scrap war weights all together, too many people are caught up and obsessed by it, it makes people to scared to drop or upgrade defences because of it, just seems like a weird way of playing. Seems like a cancer that plagues the war scene that needs to be got rid of, and then everyone can drop there defences and we can all have some fun against equal bases..

[Rst]

I’m still not getting it.

If this game was about racing cars surely you would want to be racing Formula 1 but you seem happy with winning at Formula 3.

If if this was about racing horses then surely you would want to enter the prestigious races but you seem happy winning the Donkey Derby.

[StormHeart]

Wow, how did that happen? You quoted a post from a different thread. Did you copy and past and get on the wrong thread? I'm not complaining just confused

He won't be answering you, check his status.

I’m still not getting it.

If this game was about racing cars surely you would want to be racing Formula 1 but you seem happy with winning at Formula 3.

If if this was about racing horses then surely you would want to enter the prestigious races but you seem happy winning the Donkey Derby.

[Rst]

Wow, how did that happen? You quoted a post from a different thread. Did you copy and past and get on the wrong thread? I'm not complaining just confused

He won't be answering you, check his status.

errr.... that wasn’t a quote but you may want to check out the original thread for some light relief

[50CemtFreddy]

They can't and they won't.

[Skrags]

The air is wonderful for a permabase up to this point. It's a very good strategy for war too.

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Interesting read this thread, I've quite enjoyed it. I would just be a little careful with generalisations like the above, because it's not absolutely true.
For slightly manicured TH9's I think it may still be viable, but not for multi fully max TH9's, and certainly not for Max TH10's. In fact, since July last year, being a big TH10 was a terrible place to be, as you would draw decent TH11's consistently.
Adding just lvl3 Bowlers and a lvl5 Warden to a TH10 makes a huge difference.
However, to be fair more recently this lack of TH11 parity seems to have diluted.

As for the future? .....I'm really not sure, but my gut says that TH12 is coming, and you won't be able to upgrade to TH12 unless you've built all your TH11 defences (ala Builder Base). Of course I could be completely wrong.

Nice thread!

[StormHeart]

Thanks!

I was wondering how come none of the game specialist has posted on this thread. You guys are usually all over the place.

I think you missed some key points I made, several places in this thread. DO NOT MAX A PERMABASE.

I have level 30 Royals on my fully maxed TH9 EXCEPT I still have level 2 xbows. All of our TH9s have level 2 xbows. One might still have level 1 but it still has Royals under 20.

Maxing a base lower than 11 might not hurt so badly if you have a large clan with high THs at the top. We are warring with only 9s and 8s. 10vs10. So a max base would be terrible.

We had one fully maxed TH9 but he quit the the game. That's when our long streak without a loss started. We have just won war number 29 without a loss. The war win streak is only 11 because of two ties. I wouldn't take a max TH9 to war with our current lineup. I would advise them to go to TH10.

But they way I have a permabase, the air is wonderful

I don't think 12 is coming in the next 30 days but like you said, I too have been wrong many times. Probably wrong again. I'm almost always wrong about updates. :P I think TH12 will be at the end of the year and I don't think you will be required to build all your defenses when it does come.

Interesting read this thread, I've quite enjoyed it. I would just be a little careful with generalisations like the above, because it's not absolutely true.
For slightly manicured TH9's I think it may still be viable, but not for multi fully max TH9's, and certainly not for Max TH10's. In fact, since July last year, being a big TH10 was a terrible place to be, as you would draw decent TH11's consistently.
Adding just lvl3 Bowlers and a lvl5 Warden to a TH10 makes a huge difference.
However, to be fair more recently this lack of TH11 parity seems to have diluted.

As for the future? .....I'm really not sure, but my gut says that TH12 is coming, and you won't be able to upgrade to TH12 unless you've built all your TH11 defences (ala Builder Base). Of course I could be completely wrong.

Nice thread!

[Skrags]

Thanks!

I was wondering how come none of the game specialist has posted on this thread. You guys are usually all over the place.

I think you missed some key points I made, several places in this thread. DO NOT MAX A PERMABASE.

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You're welcome, and yes I did gloss over (and miss) your specific base progressions with lvl 2 Xbows. My apologies!!!
Your wins make more sense now, congrats! When I read Perma TH9, I assume perma Max! My bad.

p.s. Just for info, my mini TH9 has level 3 Xbows, but no Bomb Tower and only 3 Mortars. It weighs 66k.

[StormHeart]

Nothing to apologize for. Thanks again. We got lucky in our last war, they had us beat but didn't one of their 9s never showed up. Thanks for the gift. I really want to get to 30 because it seems like a magical number. HAHA

Most people think that maxing is good. Running small wars you can learn a lot. We switched to them due to engineering.

Yeah, maxing a permabase is a very bad idea in my mind.

It was about two years ago when someone in the clan I was in said "Are we doing something wrong?" We kept getting a lot more TH9s in war than what we were taking. Three TH8s were mirrored vs TH9s. I know it's the overall weight. But it kept happening for about a month. I don't know, it was two years ago. Our three max TH8s were really frustrated. Our TH9s could easily take them out but the 8s were running out of viable attacks early on.

Back then, I never did understand what was wrong. But now I know. Because of being a clan leader and looking more closely at our matches, I came to understand those two max Th8s we were taking were a problem. They belonged to me and my GF so it wasn't hard to get them out of war. I took TH7s to eight and took those two out. Wars matching got much better after that.

You're welcome, and yes I did gloss over (and miss) your specific base progressions with lvl 2 Xbows. My apologies!!!
Your wins make more sense now, congrats! When I read Perma TH9, I assume perma Max! My bad.

p.s. Just for info, my mini TH9 has level 3 Xbows, but no Bomb Tower and only 3 Mortars. It weighs 66k.

[RoosterCoC]

Hard for me to follow.

But, I mean it would be obvious that at some point, war weight cannot be a factor at all. The top two clans in the final war can't have war weight as a factor.

I did not know there were divisions. But it's not divisions based on town halls a clan has, right? It's more of a random division to provide organization?

There are six divisions within cwl. They are mainly based on roster size and breakdown (ranging from 25v25 - 50v50), but the top division “Invite” is also filled with the league’s best clans. Btw, I am 100% behind the idea of completely removing war weight and basing weight on the town hall only. It would be a bit extreme at first but would solve so many issues long term.