How Can Supercell Get you to Upgrade your Permabase?

[StormHeart]

That one is easy.

We've gone 28 wars without a loss. Though, it looks like that is going to end today.

So our recent war performance is fantastic. If war weight went away, then we'll match with others that have fantastic war records.

We are not going to match to clans with TH9s and 8s. We'll likely be seeing Th11s. We are going to lose almost every war for a long time until we drop down far enough that we will win 50 percent with our 9s and 8s.

The game will change. We will all be more focused on climbing up the ladder and that means we need to have the strongest bases possible.

Only matching on recent war performance means you are going to face much stronger clans if you win. It already does but since war weight is still the determining factor we can keep our 9s and 8s and beat most clans.

What I do not understand, is how a change in war matching would make permanent town-halls obsolete. Whatever they do, it will always make sense for a TH9 to match another TH9. SO yeah, permanent town-halls will always have their place, especially when they are maxed.

What I hope for (and it is not the first time I mention it either) is matchmaking where TH level is the major matchmaking variable. first match all town-hall levels, then consider war weight. So a 3x11, 3x10, 4x9 war will meet the exact same town-hall levels. That will immediately kill engineering. Of course war weight needs still to play a role, as you do not want maxed 11s being matched with just upgraded 11s if possible, but there should never be an extra TH11 on either side.

[Cayumi]

I have an account that is staying TH9, one at TH10, two at TH11 where one is staying and one is moving up when/if the time comes. I can't think of anything that would make me abandon this approach, but then again, I'm talking about minis. The main account is always going for max.

[ombre]

i really cant understand why ppl seem to find th9 to be in a "perfect spot".

i got a max th9 account for numbers as a mini account, and i never fail to get 3 stars on any other th9 base. old school mass gobs with ks entry against cc and aq, and then heal the hogs through, surgical deployment. it s no challenge, just for safe stars, i.e. boring.

and yes, i m facing so-called good anti3 bases...

th9 is in the same category as th8 to me. both shouldnt have a place in high level gameplay, imo. ie shouldnt be in league wars... ( in casual wars all is fine, of course. i wouldnt want that sc forces anyone to upgrade anything!)

[LordSk]

They will never just match on war logs. Removing the importance of war weight does not imply that. It would kill the game (for the war part, that is), as it would match a 10xTH11 with a 10XTH9 because of similar war logs, which would not be fun for either. Town hall level will always need to be an important factor, preferably the main factor.

[TheGame1]

I hope they scrap war weights all together, too many people are caught up and obsessed by it, it makes people to scared to drop or upgrade defences because of it, just seems like a weird way of playing. Seems like a cancer that plagues the war scene that needs to be got rid of, and then everyone can drop there defences and we can all have some fun against equal bases..

[SpartanDoc]

I hope they scrap war weights all together, too many people are caught up and obsessed by it, it makes people to scared to drop or upgrade defences because of it, just seems like a weird way of playing. Seems like a cancer that plagues the war scene that needs to be got rid of, and then everyone can drop there defences and we can all have some fun against equal bases..

It's a nessasary evil. Or else the clans with the highest th11's will always win & any lower TH won't even find a clan... Lower the TH... More the undesirability

[RoosterCoC]

CWL, NDL, MCLW absolutely do rely on war weight. Their breakdowns for each townhall are matched with their opponent so neither clan has a defensive/offensive advantage.

This isn’t exactly true... I am the cwl rep for an alliance of multiple clans so I set up our rosters and negotiate weekly breakdowns with our opponents. Cwl has set and an optional breakdown for each of its divisions. For example: 2/6/17, which is two th11s, six th10s, and 17 th9s. Th11s can be any weight provided they have every available defense/trap/troop/hero. The same goes for th9. So basically every clan in cwl has all max th11s and th9s in their lineup (you’ll occasionally see a slightly less than max th9 at the bottom of a roster from time to time but it’s extremely rare). Th10 is different... th10 has three tiers. The tiers basically cover 87K (tier 1), 88K (tier 2), 89K-90K (tier 3). Just like th11 & 9, th10 must have every available defense, etc. to be eligible for cwl. In my example above (2/6/17), the six th10s must include one Tier 1, two Tier 2s, and the remaining four can be Tier 3s. A clan is allowed to play with six tier 1s, but just like th11 or th9, that would put you at an extreme disadvantage. So hopefully this answers anyone’s questions about how cwl actually works roster/war weight wise and whether they allow engineered accounts (definitely NO). Lol

[StormHeart]

As far as we know, TH is not a factor at all. Now Darian did say they are trying to match TH to TH in wars now. That would explain why people are going three days with no match on those really engineered roasters.

At first it would mean some very poor matches. We just won another war and that gives us 29 wars without a loss. If war weight was to go away, we would drop like a rock for a long time. I agree, no fun but eventually we would fall to a place where we could be competitive and we would also upgrade and stop telling TH10s "We don't war with TH10s."

There would be some massive pain at first but that would subside. Would people quit? People quit because of just about any major update.

Again, I don't want them to do it but I think it is likely.

They will never just match on war logs. Removing the importance of war weight does not imply that. It would kill the game (for the war part, that is), as it would match a 10xTH11 with a 10XTH9 because of similar war logs, which would not be fun for either. Town hall level will always need to be an important factor, preferably the main factor.

[StormHeart]

Hard for me to follow.

But, I mean it would be obvious that at some point, war weight cannot be a factor at all. The top two clans in the final war can't have war weight as a factor.

I did not know there were divisions. But it's not divisions based on town halls a clan has, right? It's more of a random division to provide organization?

This isn’t exactly true... I am the cwl rep for an alliance of multiple clans so I set up our rosters and negotiate weekly breakdowns with our opponents. Cwl has set and an optional breakdown for each of its divisions. For example: 2/6/17, which is two th11s, six th10s, and 17 th9s. Th11s can be any weight provided they have every available defense/trap/troop/hero. The same goes for th9. So basically every clan in cwl has all max th11s and th9s in their lineup (you’ll occasionally see a slightly less than max th9 at the bottom of a roster from time to time but it’s extremely rare). Th10 is different... th10 has three tiers. The tiers basically cover 87K (tier 1), 88K (tier 2), 89K-90K (tier 3). Just like th11 & 9, th10 must have every available defense, etc. to be eligible for cwl. In my example above (2/6/17), the six th10s must include one Tier 1, two Tier 2s, and the remaining four can be Tier 3s. A clan is allowed to play with six tier 1s, but just like th11 or th9, that would put you at an extreme disadvantage. So hopefully this answers anyone’s questions about how cwl actually works roster/war weight wise and whether they allow engineered accounts (definitely NO). Lol

[StormHeart]

That's right, those clans with the strongest troops and defense will be at the top. The wars will eventually become solely based on skill and power. Seems to me they way a war should be determined. No?

The Powell doctrine was something like use overwhelming force. It doesn't include have the weakest tanks and planes possible so we have an advantage. That makes no sense but it has made sense in CoC.

It's a nessasary evil. Or else the clans with the highest th11's will always win & any lower TH won't even find a clan... Lower the TH... More the undesirability