I’m done with BH

[dazin]

This strategy is why you will never get to 5k.
I have a rushed bh8 with level 4 and 5 defences and it's up around 3.6k. That's because the rushing strategy works whereas players who play your way never get very high and complain that they are getting beaten while maintaining they are the most skillful.
Skill requires both planning and execution but maybe you just aren't as good as you think.

If you can show me any posts I have made stating I am more skillful than most other players or any evidence you have that I've never achieved a high trophy level then please do so. Until then please leave generalizations and personal attacks out of it. Builder base isn't the same as it was 3-4 months ago with bh8 being released, clan games being implemented, and the 4K trophy reset. Other strategies are equally viable now depending on what you want to get out of bb and your preferred game play.

[SilverX]

Of course those who believe they possess immense skill will also hold the belief that skill is what determines the outcome; anything different would cause cognitive dissonance.
I’m sorry, but dropping a few troop units and one hero to take on a relatively small base with minimal various in layouts just doesn’t require much skill at all and I don’t know how anyone could honestly state otherwise.

This discussion just go round and round.

You wanted a fair match, where everyone is equal, and so skill is the only thing that matters. Now you are saying the statement bolded in above paragraph.

First, so you wanted a fair match where skill is the only factor that decides who wins the versus battle, in which you also state it doesn't require much skill at all? It sound contradictory. Why did SC want to change the system, or you suggest them to change it, that versus battle results is only determined by skill where you think it doesn't require much skill?

Second, the next question will be, if it doesn't require much skill, why you find it difficult to complete Clan Games in higher trophy range and thus compete?
Of course, we know dazin's answer will be "oh because I am outmatched, because I am outgunned by those who gems, this is not fair, game is bad". Then we will be back to discussing the definition of a fair match. So is skill more important or fair match more important?

Perhaps it lies somewhere in the middle and maybe it would be more accurate to say bb requires little skill compared to MV and little skill for MV players who are experienced in clash and how troops and the general AI behaves.

Third, you said a lot of times that MV and BB is non-comparable. I guess not, especially when you want to use it to say a statement, you did used MV as a comparison for BB skills.

I suppose theoretically if one has never played MV much and never climbed high in trophies or partipated in numerous wars with a legitimate war clan they might find attacks in bb to be challenging and require skill, from their perspective at least.

Fourth, theoretically this is incorrect and inappropriate, it is considered as personal attack to those who comment in here. You don't know who is who in their MV based on their comment in BB.

Until then please leave generalizations and personal attacks out of it.

Fifth, once again please leave generalizations and personal attacks out of it.

[Nzdiver]

If you can show me any posts I have made stating I am more skillful than most other players or any evidence you have that I've never achieved a high trophy level then please do so. Until then please leave generalizations and personal attacks out of it. Builder base isn't the same as it was 3-4 months ago with bh8 being released, clan games being implemented, and the 4K trophy reset. Other strategies are equally viable now depending on what you want to get out of bb and your preferred game play.

I said you aren't as skillful as you think, don't make stuff up about "more skillful than most other players". You've claimed that your losses when you try to push are due to gemmers, but provided no evidence, they are just as likely just players with more skill.
You once tried to join my friends clan so I have your player tag and can look you up any time

[12AD12]

How about if you are matched with BH5 as a BH7, will you complain? What will you say to that BH5 if he complains about matchmaking ?

I'd tell the BH5 'yep, matchmaking is broken. Go to CoC forum, you'll see that even the people who think it is a fair match system will make multiple posts reinforcing it is broken but they don't even realize it.'

We get it...you like BB. You've gemmed to get extra loot. You've gemmed up your defenses.

But for some of us, we can see how inherently unfair it is to watch your BH6 get trashed by Super Pekkas or how we BH6 need to destroy 5 extra buildings before the start of the match to have a chance.

[whp4]

I'd tell the BH5 'yep, matchmaking is broken. Go to CoC forum, you'll see that even the people who think it is a fair match system will make multiple posts reinforcing it is broken but they don't even realize it.'

We get it...you like BB. You've gemmed to get extra loot. You've gemmed up your defenses.

But for some of us, we can see how inherently unfair it is to watch your BH6 get trashed by Super Pekkas or how we BH6 need to destroy 5 extra buildings before the start of the match to have a chance.

Just play the game. Some bases will be tougher than others, and some opponents will be better at attacking than others. If you play enough, you'll find the level where you win and lose about the same rate. My BH7 base gets matched up against BH8 bases at least half of the time, maybe more. I win some, I lose some, and occasionally there's a draw. As others have said, most of the time when you find a better-equipped base, it will be run by someone who maybe doesn't play as well as you do, because despite having better toys, he/she is still in about the same trophy range as you are.

I believe we have it straight from SC's mouth that BH matchmaking is done based on trophy count above some pretty low trophy count (1500?). Unless you can show that despite that statement, you are being matched some other way, matchmaking is NOT broken - but I agree it may not be designed to operate the way you think it should. When you produce your own game product, you can build it the way you want - and I guarantee that there will be a bunch of people complaining that you are an idiot and did it the wrong way, no matter what you decide to do.

Now, where I think there is a semi-legitimate claim that the matchmaking isn't doing a good job of pairing up comparable opponents is if you are in the 4000+ cup range. After every season ends, everyone has their trophy count cut back to 4000, so the people who were a day earlier fighting it out in the 6000 cup range, with maxed everything and plenty of chops, are now getting matched with the guy who just saw 4000 cups for the very first time, maybe even still on BH7, having a good day where he won several in a row. Maybe he did just upgrade to BH8. How much of a chance do you think he has against someone who was on the top 200 player list the week before? But hey, same BH level, no mismatch, right?

[Noctaire]

I'd tell the BH5 'yep, matchmaking is broken. Go to CoC forum, you'll see that even the people who think it is a fair match system will make multiple posts reinforcing it is broken but they don't even realize it.'

We get it...you like BB. You've gemmed to get extra loot. You've gemmed up your defenses.

But for some of us, we can see how inherently unfair it is to watch your BH6 get trashed by Super Pekkas or how we BH6 need to destroy 5 extra buildings before the start of the match to have a chance.

We’ve all been through this. Eventually you realize - this is NOT the Home Village (HV) and the design does not support spending a prolonged time at anything but the topmost BH level. It’s not unfair - it is, however, an indication that you’ve stayed too long at the interim BH level or strayed into a trophy level that exceeds your capabilities/skills.

I did a video on this when BH7 came out - I kept on smashing BH7s over and over and over even though I was at BH6 and the BH7 has both an extra Army Camp and more buildings. I’ve had a BH4 take down a BH7, and BH5 take down BH6 and BH7. Proof is in my videos. Lots and lots of 3-stars too.

Right now, my hyper-rush game is a L1 BH5 taking on BH5s and BH6s and guess what? I’m getting my 3-a-day just fine. As soon as I max my key troop and have the storages done, I’ll take it to BH6 - lather, rinse, repeat until BH8. BTW - it’s not heavily gemmed either (only buying the level up bonus pack to get the new defense) and just two weeks into the game, it’s a fully deployed BH5 hovering around 1800 trophies, spamming L8 Beta Minions with a L1 Battle Machine.

The goal of this game is to get your base to BH8 as quickly as possible, upgrading key defenses and at least one attack strategy along the way. If you’re not doing that, then you’re playing the game in a manner that is simply inconsistent with its design and that means you’re going to be irritated by things like the matchmaker. Tens of thousands of other players - perhaps hundreds of thousands even - understand this and play to win. Saying you don’t have a chance because the other player has more buildings, or an extra camp, or some troop you do not is simply whining about something wholly within your control. That other player is in it to win it - are you?

[SilverX]

I'd tell the BH5 'yep, matchmaking is broken. Go to CoC forum, you'll see that even the people who think it is a fair match system will make multiple posts reinforcing it is broken but they don't even realize it.'

We get it...you like BB. You've gemmed to get extra loot. You've gemmed up your defenses.

But for some of us, we can see how inherently unfair it is to watch your BH6 get trashed by Super Pekkas or how we BH6 need to destroy 5 extra buildings before the start of the match to have a chance.

With good reason. The matchmaking system is fair, it's based on trophy, you go too high you match with someone stronger, you got too low you match with someone weaker.

Now I am not saying BH7 versus BH5 is fair. I say the matchmaking is fair. You would expect BH7 staying too low to match with lower BH level. It's fair because the BH7 will only get lower loot by winning against lower BH level. And it's also fair if the BH7 stay too high and match with BH8, if he could win he will get the higher loot bonus offered at that trophy rank. In that sense, the matchmaking is fair.

Again, I don't say BH7 versus BH5 is fair. I say the matchmaking is fair based on trophy.

[Nzdiver]

It makes sense, it really does.

If and only if you think BH7s should be consistently matched against BH8s.

BH7s should be matched against whatever bh level is most prevalent at that level of trophies.
If you want to stay bh7, that's your choice even though you know the system favours upgrading.
If you want to face BH7s, you should drop to where there are more BH7s than BH8s.
Pretty simple

[StormHeart]

I have accounts I don't play BH on except for Games. Those I don't rush too much. But on the two accounts I play with, I rush. I didn't at first but I learned.

You don't want to play with less troops!

Max your storages so you can get the new goodies at the next BH then move on up.

[lostdog]

Is there any way to opt out/delete builder bases from COC? I cant stand that game. Especially when the focus clan games around it. Its on par with Battle Royal as the worse game i have ever played. Why SC has invented these abominations is beyond me.