Leader need helps from supercell

[fiori]

As far as Clan Games go, I think they're great. However, I am not too fond of how the rewards work. I am not here to complain though, I am here to make a serious suggestion regarding the Clan Games.

- The Problem: People who do a 50 point challenge, are able to claim ALL the rewards the clan games offer. This is discouraging for people who do 3000 points worth of challenges. I am beginning to notice my normal top contributors doing way less, expecting others to carry them since they were already carrying the laziest people of our clan. So now we aren't even close to the normal goals we were hitting, simply because the top contributors are discouraged. It's not like I can sit people from the clan games either (I am the Clan Leader) so there is no way to stop this from happening, it leaves people who contribute a lot to the clan in a disposition where they feel it's not even necessary to do anything above and beyond since there are no consequences for cheating the system to get all the rewards.

- My Solution: Two Options, that can be selected by the clan leader. Since I am sure you developed the current system for a reason, I encourage you to leave it as an OPTION. Give the Clan Leader an option to select 2 types of reward systems. The (#1st Reward System): is the current system, anyone can contribute ANY amount of points and receive all the rewards. The (#2nd Reward System): Making it a BY POINTS CONTRIBUTED = Rewards obtainable, which I'll explain further below.

#2 Option Selected by Clan Leader Reward System:
(Example: There is a total of 6 Clan Games Rewards)

(If Reward 1 = 3000 Total Points From The Clan) -> (Player "A" Must contribute: 500Pts to Obtain Reward 1)
(If Reward 2 = 6000 Total Points From The Clan) -> (Player "A" Must contribute: 1000Pts to Obtain Reward 2)
(If Reward 3 = 12,000 Total Points From The Clan) -> (Player "A" Must contribute: 1500Pts to Obtain Reward 3)
(If Reward 4 = 18,000 Total Points From The Clan) -> (Player "A" Must contribute: 2000Pts to Obtain Reward 4)
(If Reward 5 = 30,000 Total Points From The Clan) -> (Player "A" Must contribute: 2500Pts to Obtain Reward 5)
(If Reward 6 = 50,000 Total Points From The Clan) -> (Player "A" Must contribute: 3000Pts to Obtain Reward 6)

I believe this is A LOT more of a fair reconciliation to the players who are doing more than others. It also encourages ALL members to push as much as they can, to help out the clan overall in every clan games.

Updates to this idea:

1.) 50-500pts = Reward 1 Obtainable
2.) 2500pts+ = All Rewards Available (Even if there are 7 rewards total, exceeding this Checkpoint would allow access to all rewards. This basically sets it up so if the person wants to go "Above and Beyond" to help their clan, only +500pts overall at this point would be the "Above and Beyond" for your guild & the clan games.
3.) Option 1 or Option 2 MUST be selected BEFORE the final 24 hours of clan games. This will allow the leader to examine the board and see exactly what's going on with their clan to distribute the rewards PROPERLY & FAIRLY.

[Piper139]

Updates to this idea:

1.) 50-500pts = Reward 1 Obtainable
2.) 2500pts+ = All Rewards Available (Even if there are 7 rewards total, exceeding this Checkpoint would allow access to all rewards. This basically sets it up so if the person wants to go "Above and Beyond" to help their clan, only +500pts overall at this point would be the "Above and Beyond" for your guild & the clan games.
3.) Option 1 or Option 2 MUST be selected BEFORE the final 24 hours of clan games. This will allow the leader to examine the board and see exactly what's going on with their clan to distribute the rewards PROPERLY & FAIRLY.

As long as it is an option, fine. Whatever makes you happy. I would also like it to default to option 1, current system so I don't have to make a selection each set of games.

[gaz1966]

You're taking the phrase "Cheating the System", a bit too extreme. I'm basically saying that people can "Manipulate", the rewards of the clan games simply by doing an easy task. But, you're saying that the (Remove 5 Obstacles From Your Base) for 50pts is equal to someone who contributed 3000pts. overall with MULTIPLE challenges simply because that person "did something"?

You said 'cheating the system'. Now you're saying 'manipulating the system'. To be clear, I never said that getting 50 points was equal to getting 3000 points. I said that the rewards are applicable to ALL clan members who contribute to Clan Games, regardless of what that contribution actually is.

You're correct, we aren't getting the rewards now. There is no way for me to SIT them or "PUNISH" them for not helping unless I threaten them with a kick, demotion, or in fact kick them, which is what I don't want to do and you should read my entire point "3" below to understand why. Also, they're my friends and they are all busy with life. HOWEVER, majority of the people who manipulate the system in the clan games want the books. So if the Hero Upgrade Book was at 2000pts for them, there literally IS NO QUESTION that they would complete as many challenges as possible to get to that point. But you are stating this without giving credit to my Option 1 & Option 2 idea. If the clan leader deems it necessary, then the option to allow rewards for bare minimum work can be allowed. The only way you can get mad at that is if you are in fact, one of the people who manipulate the system to get all the rewards seeing that I clearly stated the option to keep the current system should be allowed as well.

There you go then. You aren't getting the rewards you want because people aren't contributing enough points. There are two ways you can go. You can either explain that to them and ask them to get more, or kick them and recruit some other players that do want to score more in CG.

Why do you think SC should implement some new 'rules' just because YOU don't want to kick some under-performing friends of yours ?

FYI, I have never missed capping my main and my alt in CG. You are welcome to join my clan and see for yourself if I am telling the truth.

The whole point of my idea was to remove this theory. No good clan leader wants to kick or threaten his players to do things. They aren't demoralizing anything, they just know how to manipulate the clan games to their favor. You're taking my idea completely out of context at this point, I want to keep all my clan members because they're my friends. BUT, at the same time, I want them to understand that if they want the best rewards from the clan games that they need to contribute more than just the bare minimum. If you are indeed a Clan Leader then you must be a newer one. I've already been down this road of punishment like you speak of a few times in my first few years of leading and nothing good ever comes of it.

Sorry, but ALL good clan leaders kick people. That's part of what makes them good leaders. Sentiment doesn't come in to it. If you're leading a clan, you do what is best for the clan as a whole, not for you or your 'friends'. If you can't see that, then I'd suggest you're not the one who should be leading the clan.

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[fiori]

You're taking the phrase "Cheating the System", a bit too extreme. I'm basically saying that people can "Manipulate", the rewards of the clan games simply by doing an easy task. But, you're saying that the (Remove 5 Obstacles From Your Base) for 50pts is equal to someone who contributed 3000pts. overall with MULTIPLE challenges simply because that person "did something"?

You said 'cheating the system'. Now you're saying 'manipulating the system'. To be clear, I never said that getting 50 points was equal to getting 3000 points. I said that the rewards are applicable to ALL clan members who contribute to Clan Games, regardless of what that contribution actually is.

You're correct, we aren't getting the rewards now. There is no way for me to SIT them or "PUNISH" them for not helping unless I threaten them with a kick, demotion, or in fact kick them, which is what I don't want to do and you should read my entire point "3" below to understand why. Also, they're my friends and they are all busy with life. HOWEVER, majority of the people who manipulate the system in the clan games want the books. So if the Hero Upgrade Book was at 2000pts for them, there literally IS NO QUESTION that they would complete as many challenges as possible to get to that point. But you are stating this without giving credit to my Option 1 & Option 2 idea. If the clan leader deems it necessary, then the option to allow rewards for bare minimum work can be allowed. The only way you can get mad at that is if you are in fact, one of the people who manipulate the system to get all the rewards seeing that I clearly stated the option to keep the current system should be allowed as well.

There you go then. You aren't getting the rewards you want because people aren't contributing enough points. There are two ways you can go. You can either explain that to them and ask them to get more, or kick them and recruit some other players that do want to score more in CG.

Why do you think SC should implement some new 'rules' just because YOU don't want to kick some under-performing friends of yours ?

FYI, I have never missed capping my main and my alt in CG. You are welcome to join my clan and see for yourself if I am telling the truth.

The whole point of my idea was to remove this theory. No good clan leader wants to kick or threaten his players to do things. They aren't demoralizing anything, they just know how to manipulate the clan games to their favor. You're taking my idea completely out of context at this point, I want to keep all my clan members because they're my friends. BUT, at the same time, I want them to understand that if they want the best rewards from the clan games that they need to contribute more than just the bare minimum. If you are indeed a Clan Leader then you must be a newer one. I've already been down this road of punishment like you speak of a few times in my first few years of leading and nothing good ever comes of it.

Sorry, but ALL good clan leaders kick people. That's part of what makes them good leaders. Sentiment doesn't come in to it. If you're leading a clan, you do what is best for the clan as a whole, not for you or your 'friends'. If you can't see that, then I'd suggest you're not the one who should be leading the clan.


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At this point you're simply refusing to acknowledge the fact that my idea has 2 Options, one of which being the original system that is in place; the one you're defending. I get it, your point is to punish and remove the members who don't contribute instead of looking to Supercell to fix this issue. However, I can argue the point that my "Option 1" nullifies everything you're stating, simply because nothing will change for you in your case if you choose it to be that way.

So, when you state to threaten and remove members instead of looking to Supercell to create a second option that would allow a "Challenges Completed, Rewards Earned" method. That should already be enough information for Supercell to realize that the Clan Games are eligible for a change. (Edit: There are people who don't want to do the Clan Games but want the rewards, that is where a new system in place would allow them to not be threatened or kicked and still be able to remain in the clan. It would also make it so they can't manipulate the rewards system. That's the indefinite goal here. And you're damn right I get sentimental when it comes to my clan mates. As their leader, I don't want to fail them or make them feel like they need to be in a hostile environment simply because they aren't doing challenges in clan games.)

I apologize, but I fail to accommodate your opinion on not looking to Supercell for help. Simply because sometimes I would select Option 1 because of everything you've stated. Then, sometimes, I would select Option 2 because I want people to learn not to jump on the shoulders of top contributors. I will leave the caliber of being a good leader out of this now because I am not here to tell you that you are a bad leader, just that we have different opinions when implementing changes in this game that would benefit individual clans in their own ways.

[gaz1966]

At this point you're simply refusing to acknowledge the fact that my idea has 2 Options, one of which being the original system that is in place; the one you're defending. I get it, your point is to punish and remove the members who don't contribute instead of looking to Supercell to fix this issue. However, I can argue the point that my "Option 1" nullifies everything you're stating, simply because nothing will change for you in your case if you choose it to be that way.

So, when you state to threaten and remove members instead of looking to Supercell to create a second option that would allow a "Challenges Completed, Rewards Earned" method. That should already be enough information for Supercell to realize that the Clan Games are eligible for a change. (Edit: There are people who don't want to do the Clan Games but want the rewards, that is where a new system in place would allow them to not be threatened or kicked and still be able to remain in the clan. It would also make it so they can't manipulate the rewards system. That's the indefinite goal here. And you're damn right I get sentimental when it comes to my clan mates. As their leader, I don't want to fail them or make them feel like they need to be in a hostile environment simply because they aren't doing challenges in clan games.)

I apologize, but I fail to accommodate your opinion on looking to Supercell for help. Simply because sometimes I would select Option 1 because of everything you've stated. Then, sometimes, I would select Option 2 because I want people to learn not to jump on the shoulders of top contributors. I will leave the caliber of being a good leader out of this now because I am not here to tell you that you are a bad leader, just that we have different opinions when implementing changes in this game that would benefit individual clans in their own ways.

NO, not at all !!!

I don't want to punish anyone because I don't believe there is an issue to fix. It's a GAME. 'Punish' should not even be considered as a word relating to it.

I think everyone that contributes to clan games, regardless of how many or few points they actually get, should get whatever reward(s) the entire clan unlocks. Simply because, it is "Clan Games" and therefore, all about the clan and NOT the individual.

Clear enough ?

[Warios]

Updates to this idea:

1.) 50-500pts = Reward 1 Obtainable
2.) 2500pts+ = All Rewards Available (Even if there are 7 rewards total, exceeding this Checkpoint would allow access to all rewards. This basically sets it up so if the person wants to go "Above and Beyond" to help their clan, only +500pts overall at this point would be the "Above and Beyond" for your guild & the clan games.
3.) Option 1 or Option 2 MUST be selected BEFORE the final 24 hours of clan games. This will allow the leader to examine the board and see exactly what's going on with their clan to distribute the rewards PROPERLY & FAIRLY.

If you have issues with some members, purge your clan of the unwanted ones. It is the simplest solution, because the KISS principle is the best the majority of the time.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle

[Geniosity]

this is a problem because 10/15 clanmates in a clan only do 50 points just for some rewards, while the other 5 struggle to get to 3k points for that reward book, which those 10 other get for free. this should not happen

[Ajax]

this is a problem because 10/15 clanmates in a clan only do 50 points just for some rewards, while the other 5 struggle to get to 3k points for that reward book, which those 10 other get for free. this should not happen

Sorry, but if you say something "is a problem because ..." you should give some reasons.

All you did was state the facts, you did not say why you consider those facts to be a problem. Many don't consider those same facts to be an issue at all.

[Herrjr1979]

Sorry, but if you say something "is a problem because ..." you should give some reasons.

All you did was state the facts, you did not say why you consider those facts to be a problem. Many don't consider those same facts to be an issue at all.

That's a bit snarky. He obviously means that people that don't pull their weight shouldn't receive the same rewards. While I don't necessarily agree, I certainly understand his point of view and it seems kinda belittling to respond like you did, imho.

[Geniosity]

Sorry, but if you say something "is a problem because ..." you should give some reasons.

All you did was state the facts, you did not say why you consider those facts to be a problem. Many don't consider those same facts to be an issue at all.

this was my original post:
So we probably all know those people who do 1/2 challenges just to get in with rewards while not actually contributing towards the Clan total points.
i think Supercell should also add a threshold so, leechers dont get full rewards, so you have to score a certain amount of points to be eligible for a certain tier reward
Like if clangames go to 30k score, each clanmate can do 3000 points and there are 6 rewards. in order to get the 4th reward c.q. requiring 18k points. he/she should at least have 1/10th of the total required points, 1800 personal score to get this reward.
Though this is just a raw suggestion, i think you guys should really look into it, the only measurement we can take is kicking after clangames, which ofcourse leechers will find yet another clan to suck blood from.

Good enough for you now?