Whats with the stupid potions supercell 😡

[gaz1966]

So his clan can become all engineered bases like the rest? Does that make the attempts to manipulate matchmaking system the right thing to do? Don't defend a problem because your just trying to defend your game. Some people don't like cheaters regardless, including of it makes them win.

I never said anything about engineering. I said "His clan is able to use the potion". Regardless of whether it is a fresh TH9/10/11, midway through being developed or thoroughly engineered with only one level 1 cannon said base has just as much right to use the potion as anyone else.

And how, exactly, is it cheating ? Everyone is free to build and develop their base as they wish. The fact that many people have figured out that not building certain things whilst working on others doesn't make them cheats. It makes them smart actually as they have developed a way to increase their odds of winning wars, inside of the framework laid down by SC. It's unfair to the non-engineers facing them but it isn't cheating. Now, if they were copying bases and using mods to practice sandbox attacks on those bases until they were perfect, then yeah, that is cheating.

Whatever SC do, some people will always be looking for a loophole to give them an edge. That's just human nature unfortunately.

[StormHeart]

As to the argument there, SC has not said engineering is not fair play.

They have said it's not the way the game was intended to be played. They have said that.

They have also said it is not cheating.

Now, I hate engineering and the sooner SC kills it dead the better. I get that it feels like cheating and it feels unfair. I think it is unfair but we could all play unfairly in this case. It isn't a mod. They are not doing anything we couldn't do and we'd all still be firmly within ToS. It's not cheating but it still feels creepy to me and I'll quit before I win that way.

[karmakay]

So you are making up false statements from SC to help support your very narrow view of how this game should be played? Sorry. Carry on. I can’t debate with people who pull fake facts out of thin air. Cheers.

Okay. Why would they be trying so hard to address the issue of engineering, if they in fact viewed it as fair? Everyone does have a right to build their base as they see fit. But that doesn't mean they should get unfair advantages in war. Or does it?

So yes or no to these questions.

Is SC addressing the issue of engineered bases?

If non engineered bases are matched up against engineered bases in war, is that an unfair advantage?

If you answered yes to the first one, then right there tells you SC doesn't view it as fair. As far add anyone being able to do it? Ya, if I start a brand new base.

If they truly want to embrace engineering like you make it seem they do, then they simply need to allow EVERYONE to create their war base however they want to. Allow EVERYONE to pick what defenses are placed or not. I'm not even saying allow them to pick the level it is, but give everyone the choice of how to manipulate the war, so it's truly fair.

[Chang405]

Okay. Why would they be trying so hard to address the issue of engineering, if they in fact viewed it as fair? Everyone does have a right to build their base as they see fit. But that doesn't mean they should get unfair advantages in war. Or does it?

So yes or no to these questions.

Is SC addressing the issue of engineered bases?

If non engineered bases are matched up against engineered bases in war, is that an unfair advantage?

If you answered yes to the first one, then right there tells you SC doesn't view it as fair. As far add anyone being able to do it? Ya, if I start a brand new base.

If they truly want to embrace engineering like you make it seem they do, then they simply need to allow EVERYONE to create their war base however they want to. Allow EVERYONE to pick what defenses are placed or not. I'm not even saying allow them to pick the level it is, but give everyone the choice of how to manipulate the war, so it's truly fair.

Engineers are mostly second accounts. Everyone has the opportunity to create a second account. The system not being fair doesn't mean people who are working within the system to get an advantage are cheaters. But hey, if you feel name calling will make you feel better, go for it.

[karmakay]

Engineers are mostly second accounts. Everyone has the opportunity to create a second account. The system not being fair doesn't mean people who are working within the system to get an advantage are cheaters. But hey, if you feel name calling will make you feel better, go for it.

Your right, SC is actively trying to fix a situation that didn't exist. Makes sense.

Why should I ava everyone else in my clan that's played this game for years, have to create second accounts to use in war because other people figured out how to manipulate a system SC is actively trying to counter against?

To me, the easiest and most fair thing SC could do would be to allow all war bases to be manipulated to how person sees fit. That way EVERYONE can manipulate the system the same way, without having to invest hundreds of hours or dollars, AGAIN, to try and has fair war Matchups.

If war match making wasn't a problem due to engineers, SC wouldn'tbe doing the active changes they are to counter it and make war Matchups fair.

[Chang405]

Your right, SC is actively trying to fix a situation that didn't exist. Makes sense.

Why should I ava everyone else in my clan that's played this game for years, have to create second accounts to use in war because other people figured out how to manipulate a system SC is actively trying to counter against?

To me, the easiest and most fair thing SC could do would be to allow all war bases to be manipulated to how person sees fit. That way EVERYONE can manipulate the system the same way, without having to invest hundreds of hours or dollars, AGAIN, to try and has fair war Matchups.

If war match making wasn't a problem due to engineers, SC wouldn'tbe doing the active changes they are to counter it and make war Matchups fair.

I love being right but I'm afraid I can't take the accolades this time. No where did I say "SC isn't trying to fix the situation" nor did I say "there isn't a problem". I actually agree extreme engineering is a problem and I think SC has done a good job tweaking their MM so that clans with similar builds war against each other. Notice how SC is allowing different builds to continue to exist and not nerfing engineering into oblivion?

I was pointing out that you can't equate engineers with cheating and it would seem the mods agree with me. All of your name calling posts have been deleted.

[Chang405]

I'll split hairs with you all day about whether players ACTIVELY trying to go against the way wars are matched up as cheating. They are purposefully trying to do the opposite of what SC is trying to do. I get people will always try and take advantage of these types of things, but that doesn't make it an honest maneuver, IMO.

You are entitled to your own opinion but you are bound within the rules of the forum about voicing your opinions. You don't need to split hairs with me. If you type out engineering is cheating 100 times, the mods will delete your posts 100 times and you will be banned from the forums sooner or later.

You can say I name called all you want, but I never targeted an individual. Sorry if people got offended by it, but it is what it is.

No, you didn't target an individual. You targeted everyone who has an engineered base.

You mention they allow different builds to exist, but that's a reference to non war. Yes, they exist in war, but the whole point of what SCs been trying to do in wars is to force the people who manipulate against others who manipulate. So to act like they are fair in war regards is wrong, and being proven wrong the more SC does to fix war Matchups.

We only have one base. If different builds exist in the multiplayer setting, it has to exist in war. If two clans of similar builds face each other in war, it is totally fair.

So while we can split hairs about what constitutes as cheating in my mind and just trying to get an advantage in yours. A advantage that SC has deemed UNFAIR, evidenced by you speaking to them actively trying to change Matchups above.

No hair splitting necessary. You are not allowed to call engineering cheating on this forum.

[karmakay]

Your absolutely wrong about having one base. Why am I allowed to have 3 bases in each mp and war?

[michelms]

So im relativley new to these forums, posted my first post the other day about high lev th10s matching th11s in wars, simce then we have had 3 wars, we have no engineered bases in our team but always get matched with at least 2/3 engineerd bases, to add insult to injury the engineerd bases have got rediculalsy stronger because super cell had this genieous idea to invent a potion that maxes troops to lab lev, so now they dont even have to max there troops, just there labs, can anyone tell me is this just me thinking supercell have really dropped a clanger on this one or is my rant justified? Seems to me like supercell are promoting people to engineer there bases and hit the boost teoops to max lev potion, all the hard work and graft thats gone into my near max th10 gets obliverated in 3 mins flat by some guy near the bottom of the oponants war log using a jumped up troop potion, supercell needs to fix this and fast, i find this very frustrating that the years ive put into this game are now powerless to people who rush th and lab and throw a potion at it!!! And breathe, rant over!!

Answer me please if the potions are maxing the heroes level...
Do you really think it's only necessary max troops to make good attacks? Don't you forget about the heroes and the potions, don't max them.

Peace out ☮️

[Ripple1972]

Your absolutely wrong about having one base. Why am I allowed to have 3 bases in each mp and war?

Not to answer for Chang. But I believe he is saying you have the same base for war and multi. It’s not like you can engineer acwar base, but play multi with a maxed base. But nice non answer to all his points.